Yeah, this. Look at Mexico. The cartels' actions over there are absolutely horrific.
Do you think drugs should be legal?
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Yeah, this. Look at Mexico. The cartels' actions over there are absolutely horrific.
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You might wanna put 'prohibition' into Wikipedia then you'll soon see.
It's a matter of numbers and ease of production. Alcohol can be produced at home (moonshine) relatively easily and quickly and the sheer numbers of people that 'do' alcohol makes it almost impossible to ban and police.
Weed on the other hand requires a bit of effort (and a lot of electricity) to produce at home and even if made legal would be a minority occupation.
Laws and regulations are based on how easy they are to police, not on health reasons.
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This thread should be illegal.
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And at least they are still alive rather than being dead from one of the various cancers or some form of drunken stupidity.
Thats easy: money
plus big fat bonus's in the back pockets of politicians goes a long way too.
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Yes I think they should, Especially Cannabis and MDMA
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Eh?
Are you suggesting someone who smokes the odd bit of weed will become dissatisfied that his hobby is no longer illegal so will start taking up burglary to maintain that 'edge' of his?
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prostitution should be legal imo. If a woman wants to do that then it's her body and she should be able to do as she likes. heck a prostitute works out a lot cheaper than having a wife and she at least will always be honest. She goes with you for the £££ not for love. And she wont take your house when shes fed up with you either
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to be fair most street dealers (cannabis) do so for their own personal smoke not to get rich, as theres no money in it. So they knock a bit out to a few mates ect and it gets them x amount for themselves.
prostitution should be legal imo. If a woman wants to do that then it's her body and she should be able to do as she likes. heck a prostitute works out a lot cheaper than having a wife and she at least will always be honest. She goes with you for the £££ not for love. And she wont take your house when shes fed up with you either
the issue is what happens if someone is forced into it with threats?
it would be very hard for them not to be threatened into saying they do it willingly.
much like you can't consent to assault so if you like a bit of S&M the police would prosecute if they had evidence despite it being between consenting partners.
Many drugs are legal, alcohol and nicotine are sold in the shops with complete disregard for the damage they cause.
There's just complete inconsistency in the laws which are created by very ignorant people with no relevant knowledge or qualifications in the field.
There's just complete inconsistency in the laws which are created by very ignorant people with no relevant knowledge or qualifications in the field.
One thing i find interesting with the legalisation of cannabis mostly is the attitude they have towards it in the Netherlands, although it being legal the children don't go around smoking it all the time as soon as they are allowed they also boast some of the best statistics for standard of living for the younger children as they seem to be far more disciplined in regards to drugs and alcohol.
This, i fear would not be reflected in a place like the UK where excess tends to be the norm, binge drinking and one of the most obese nations in the world leads me to belive that the legalisation of drugs if not heavily restricted and regulated would lead to instant binge consumption of the drugs as is the nature of the UK.
It's a difficult argument to place because once they are legal you then have to decide who is allowed to buy them, should people who could become dangerous (such as people with already existing psychological issues) while under the influence of some substances be allowed them? How do you regulate the sale and distribution of the drugs? Where do they come from are they just going to import a crate load of cocaine from some columbian drug cartels? It certainly would be politically a terrible idea.
Would the additional money gained through taxation be enough to offset the extra cost to the NHS and other facilities caused by the more liberal use of drugs among the nation? I'm pretty sure i remember reading that the taxation on alcohol and tobacco is greater than the cost to the state so it is possible it could work.
If legalised it could also provide some extra tourist revenue while people may want to visit the UK to try some of the stuff but i'm sure most would rather go to Amsterdam anyhow since their red light district is far superior to the dregs of Soho.
I dislike and do not use any drugs nor do i smoke, i only have the occasional glass of whisky or red wine so legalising anything would certainly not benefit me, but i belive it should be as we are all (mostly) educated enough to make informed decisions on what we would like to put in our bodies. A good example is there are many forms of products that can easily be bought over the counter that can be used solely for solvent abuse such as white spirit or even deodorant but the majority of people dont go around buying them all up and sniffing them until they die.
This, i fear would not be reflected in a place like the UK where excess tends to be the norm, binge drinking and one of the most obese nations in the world leads me to belive that the legalisation of drugs if not heavily restricted and regulated would lead to instant binge consumption of the drugs as is the nature of the UK.
It's a difficult argument to place because once they are legal you then have to decide who is allowed to buy them, should people who could become dangerous (such as people with already existing psychological issues) while under the influence of some substances be allowed them? How do you regulate the sale and distribution of the drugs? Where do they come from are they just going to import a crate load of cocaine from some columbian drug cartels? It certainly would be politically a terrible idea.
Would the additional money gained through taxation be enough to offset the extra cost to the NHS and other facilities caused by the more liberal use of drugs among the nation? I'm pretty sure i remember reading that the taxation on alcohol and tobacco is greater than the cost to the state so it is possible it could work.
If legalised it could also provide some extra tourist revenue while people may want to visit the UK to try some of the stuff but i'm sure most would rather go to Amsterdam anyhow since their red light district is far superior to the dregs of Soho.
I dislike and do not use any drugs nor do i smoke, i only have the occasional glass of whisky or red wine so legalising anything would certainly not benefit me, but i belive it should be as we are all (mostly) educated enough to make informed decisions on what we would like to put in our bodies. A good example is there are many forms of products that can easily be bought over the counter that can be used solely for solvent abuse such as white spirit or even deodorant but the majority of people dont go around buying them all up and sniffing them until they die.
For those in thread... may find this amusing:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/aug/29/helium-barbiturates-drug-death-statistics?INTCMP=SRCH
Just to blow your views of "CANNABIS IS DESTROYING THE WORLD" out of the window.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/aug/29/helium-barbiturates-drug-death-statistics?INTCMP=SRCH
Just to blow your views of "CANNABIS IS DESTROYING THE WORLD" out of the window.
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the staff would be happier
Thanks for answering for me Tefal, I agree this is a major point to make. Another thing to consider is how users of (drug of choice) could potentially lose their friends, job or freedom if they were ever caught in possession by the police.
There are some crazy arguments floating around this thread, can't tell if trolling. Someone tried to say that a doctor wouldn't operate if you were on E???
The OP was on about legalising narcotics a metric **** tonne harder than weed. Wake up to reality for Christ's sake. Nobody gives a toss about your average pot head when you're talking about legalising smack.
No. There really is not. I smoke a cigarette and have a beer. This does not give me a level of addiction and craving for a high that I go and burgle somebody's home or force my girlfriend into prostitution so I can pay for my next hit. Get real.
Whilst we're pulling numbers out of our asses, I've got several trillion right here for you.
It really isn't. It's a total non-issue and doesn't refute the central point at all. This is not a thread on the trivialities of decriminalisation of cannabis, it's a thread on legalising the likes of LSD, Heroin, Crack, Cocaine etc to be sold over the counter. Only a total moron would condone it.
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You are considering only one issue, alcohol and tobacco are very toxic, the former causing liver damage among other things, deaths and injuries due to drunken conduct like falling down the stairs and fights on the streets, tobacco causing lung cancer among many other diseases. Most other drugs are no where near this toxic.
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Likewise most drug users don't go out robbing to pay for their fix either. As someone who lost a sibling due to alcohol I can tell you that the 'desire' to get booze is no less strong than a users' need to get drugs.
Cannabis is NOT legal in the Netherlands; it has been decriminalised. It is still an offence to possess it, but the police are under orders to ignore that offence. That same applies to smoking in certain areas, growing plants up to a certain number etc. It is a policy, not a change in the law.