Toyo T1R Proxes 195-50-15 tyres £29.89 + £2.99 p+p @CamSkill

I've recently put them on my S40 and they feel strange, but thats more my cars crappy steering than the tyres I think, I get a lot of feel of them not sure if this is good though as it makes me twitch a tad, too early to tell if I like them but the price is what sold them for me. Don't think they will last long mind.
 
The point about grip is not really relevant fore. They gripped well, it was the horrible floaty feeling I didn't like. It ruined handling for me, the soft sidewalls properly improved traction if anything. It's not a long long plastic tyre that you fit to slide about with.

This is a good example of grip not being the same as handling.
 
crinkleshoes said:
Just the same with the RX8 OC saying "get Avon ZZ3s in 10mm too wide size... they feel just as good as the Bridgestones for half the price".

No... no they really don't.

Mine had a pair on the rear when I got it... absolutely terrible and the 10mm over-size made the sidewalls really floppy, to the extent when you were pressing on, it started to feel like the back end was breaking away wayyyy before it really was... felt rather unsafe.

Ended up trying FK452s (got a stupidly good deal on the right size & after a positive experience with them on the scoob - thought why not). Got them for about 2/3 the price of the over-sized ZZ3s... they weren't half bad, especially compared to the ZZ3s! Still wished I'd paid the extra for the bridgestones though :(
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That's the exact point people are making about T1R yet you are supporting their performance as a 'fun' attribute on something like an Mx5.... Yet your own reference to an Rx8 tyre selection is the same as others are making in this context and it contradicts with the point you're trying to make :confused:
 
Jonnycoupe said:
That's the exact point people are making about T1R yet you are supporting their performance as a 'fun' attribute on something like an Mx5.... Yet your own reference to an Rx8 tyre selection is the same as others are making in this context and it contradicts with the point you're trying to make :confused:
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Hardly the same... They're not the wrong size and they are decent tyres for mx5s... I'll continue to buy where appropriate... No internet bull trumps personal experience :rolleyes:

I disagree with others assertions.

The RX8 is an occasion of where such a comparison is appropriate... Same as sticking T1Rs on an E46... Or p6000s on an mx5... Etc
 
Whats funny in all this "they are great on light cars" nonsense is that Neil on here with his Elise hated them, and that guys got far more driving credibility than most.
 
crinkleshoes said:
That's not true hurf... They're perfect for MX5s, pug 205s and similar.

You don't like it sliding around, fair enough... A lot of others do... They give just the right amount of grip and slip to have fun in a naturally aspirated version.

That's why people race about them... As Sigma and I have said... It sounds like you could do with a bit of driver training... Not meaning to be rude or anything, but if you really have them stepping out at times you don't expect and your car really is setup properly... It must be your lack of driving experience. Probably as simple as putting the power down just a bit too early.

I had T1Rs on my 220bhp 'charged car and it didn't once step out of line unexpectedly. In fact, I loved them on that car.

As for the Eagle F1s, the way they tramline MX5s is rather annoying.
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that is really not true. For a Start Eagle F1's dont tramline, in fact they totally removed it for me. Also, since when does a driver want a car that slides around? That could be lethal on the road.

Also, im upto 6 seconds a lap faster around snetterton/bedford SEN circuit using Continentals vs his Toyo's. The lack of grip he had was shocking.
 
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SIX seconds faster at snetterton whilst still on road tyres?! Either he's a poor driver or they really are terrible tyres.

Assuming all other things are equal, of course.
 
Simon said:
The point about grip is not really relevant fore. They gripped well, it was the horrible floaty feeling I didn't like. It ruined handling for me, the soft sidewalls properly improved traction if anything. It's not a long long plastic tyre that you fit to slide about with.

This is a good example of grip not being the same as handling.
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I can certainly see what you mean. When cornering very hard you can feel that slight sidewall flex before you feel the grip of the tyre. It doesn't bother me too much as I don't often drive hard and have a fairly lower profile tyre, but I can see it being a problem for others.
 
Conscript said:
I can certainly see what you mean. When cornering very hard you can feel that slight sidewall flex before you feel the grip of the tyre. It doesn't bother me too much as I don't often drive hard and have a fairly lower profile tyre, but I can see it being a problem for others.
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The worse bit wasn't driving hard. It was when going around corners like motorway slip roads and the would literally feel like it was on jelly.
 
crinkleshoes said:
Hardly the same... They're not the wrong size and they are decent tyres for mx5s... I'll continue to buy where appropriate... No internet bull trumps personal experience :rolleyes:

I disagree with others assertions.

The RX8 is an occasion of where such a comparison is appropriate... Same as sticking T1Rs on an E46... Or p6000s on an mx5... Etc
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Did you try the RX8 on the right size tyres then? I doubt it would have made much difference to your view

You seem to have ignored the fact dc2s are similar in weight to T1Rs too. What pressure do you run them on your MX5? People run them up to 36psi on the s2000s to try an compensate for the softness, I can on imagine this makes them more slidey and 'fun' as you describe
 
Simon said:
The worse bit wasn't driving hard. It was when going around corners like motorway slip roads and the would literally feel like it was on jelly.
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I haven't felt it that badly, but I guess if I change to something with a stiffer sidewall in the future I might notice.

What tyre size/pressure were you running, out of interest?
 
Conscript said:
I haven't felt it that badly, but I guess if I change to something with a stiffer sidewall in the future I might notice.

What tyre size/pressure were you running, out of interest?
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225/45/17 at 32-33psi. Any harder felt like I was losing grip.

The S2000 passive rear steer works on Bush compliance so adding more compliance via the tyre is what really upsets it. It was almost like the rear was oscillating as the load swapped for bushes to tyres. Horrible !
 
crinkleshoes said:
I think you're going for grip over fun... the T1Rs are the perfect balance of enough grip, but still fun with stock power... that's why they're rated so highly.

If you want limitless grip... get cut slicks :p

MX5s aren't supposed to just grip and grip... they're designed for slidey fun!
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Erm, no, they are rated so highly because people with a shoestring budget, who don't know what a real tyre is, buy them and then proclaim they are equal in performance to a tyre they have never used.

The F1's on the MX5 give the car great positive feedback, just because you like going round every corner sideways doesn't mean the rest of the motoring public do, I like to corner properly, you know, carry as much speed round it as possible......
 
Overlag said:
that is really not true. For a Start Eagle F1's dont tramline, in fact they totally removed it for me. Also, since when does a driver want a car that slides around? That could be lethal on the road.

Also, im upto 6 seconds a lap faster around snetterton/bedford SEN circuit using Continentals vs his Toyo's. The lack of grip he had was shocking.
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6 seconds... now I know you're talking out of your behind... maybe 2 second difference & that's being generous.

6 second difference must have been car or driver.

Simon said:
Did you try the RX8 on the right size tyres then? I doubt it would have made much difference to your view

You seem to have ignored the fact dc2s are similar in weight to T1Rs too. What pressure do you run them on your MX5? People run them up to 36psi on the s2000s to try an compensate for the softness, I can on imagine this makes them more slidey and 'fun' as you describe
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Yes - replaced with FK452s all round (as mentioned further up)... transformed it in to a new car... still not as good as the bridgestones though.

Firestar_3x said:
Erm, no, they are rated so highly because people with a shoestring budget, who don't know what a real tyre is, buy them and then proclaim they are equal in performance to a tyre they have never used.

The F1's on the MX5 give the car great positive feedback, just because you like going round every corner sideways doesn't mean the rest of the motoring public do, I like to corner properly, you know, carry as much speed round it as possible......
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You make them sound like they're going to throw you off at every corner... you're mistaking T1R for P6000 :rolleyes:
 
crinkleshoes said:
You make them sound like they're going to throw you off at every corner... you're mistaking T1R for P6000 :rolleyes:
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Not at all, i've owned both.

Essentially the T1R pro argument hangs on this: They allow you to slide the vehicle at a lower speed due to the tyres outright lack of grip.

I've never seen this put forward as a reason to buy a tyre before, interesting stuff.
 
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