Who has a monopoly on employment?
27% turnout yet they are still going on strike.
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Who has a monopoly on employment?
so you've looked at the starting salary now you're looking at the extremes
how about the average - just over 30k
and if you want a comparison with doctors - average for a GP is over 100k
Perhpas its not a bad deal for all people, not all graduates even go into professions or get on corporate graduate schemes etc...
However for a Maths or Science grad its probably not a good option pay wise and I'd say it is poorly paid as far as most professions go...
Average for an experienced teacher is in the range of £42k-£64k depending on location and keystage.
A GP earning that is self employed, an employed PCT GP earns between £56k -£81k depending on length of service, responsibilty and experience......whereas a more comparable example would be an employed experienced (SAS) Doctor earning between £36k and £70k depending on speciality.
A GP is more comparable to a head of year or head teacher, who earn comparable salaries, again dependent on various factors.
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Comparing a teacher to a GP is frankly hilarious, where'd you think that one up?
All I'd like to add is that after 7 years of working in schools the instant most teachers come back from holidays they can tell you when they're next off and start counting down to them. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that those who bothered to vote want some extra time off, few seem to see it as anything other than a cash cow. I applaud the good teachers, those who have gone into it as a vocation, as a career but many seem to fall back on it after getting a degree. The only common ground between a GP and a teacher is that on the whole they live in their own little worlds.
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Was just about to say that.
I know a good few teachers in the 35-45 age group - both as friends, and friends of friends. None of them are in any way stressed (possible due to them getting 10-12 weeks holiday a year) - The majority of them earn more than most other people I know (due to them giving extra tutoring after hours - at £25 an hour)
I would like to say it's a difficult job with below average pay - but to be honest - if you are willing to work at it - and actually prove that you are a "good" teacher - as in - someone that can "teach" - it is a very well paid job for the amount of time and effort that is required.
I would give anything to be off work from the 27th of June to the 1st of September (which was the Summer holidays for a couple of my friends)
I know a good few teachers in the 35-45 age group - both as friends, and friends of friends. None of them are in any way stressed (possible due to them getting 10-12 weeks holiday a year) - The majority of them earn more than most other people I know (due to them giving extra tutoring after hours - at £25 an hour)
I would like to say it's a difficult job with below average pay - but to be honest - if you are willing to work at it - and actually prove that you are a "good" teacher - as in - someone that can "teach" - it is a very well paid job for the amount of time and effort that is required.
I would give anything to be off work from the 27th of June to the 1st of September (which was the Summer holidays for a couple of my friends)
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The best thing about reading threads is when someone sums up your opinion better than perhaps you yourself could have done. This is one of those moments.
Why are people so upset when people use the combined power of their Labour to negotiate in the free market?
We have seen the attitude of the wealthy 1% who have all the other form of power with the Australlian inherited billionaire telling people to work for $2 an hour because Africans do so, they would have people as slaves if they could, unionisation is the fight back against that.
We have seen the attitude of the wealthy 1% who have all the other form of power with the Australlian inherited billionaire telling people to work for $2 an hour because Africans do so, they would have people as slaves if they could, unionisation is the fight back against that.
In 6 years of working in a school i can honestly say that out of over 200 teachers i've met i've probably met a maximum of 10 that are genuinely in it to teach the kids and treat it as a proper career. The rest are in it purely for the money, and they make it so damn obvious.
After just a handful of years in the profession most appear to get too bitter and grumpy to care about what they do, and the rest are just so damn stupid due to the lack of life experience. Teachers should be required to have some form of genuine experience in another aspect of life before being allowed to teach.
Couldn't agree more mrbios! My best teachers are schools came from other professions, PE teacher was an ex-miner, our Techie teacher was an ex-joiner and our English teacher was a chef. They all picked to be teachers after the age of 40 and all were superb.
From my time working in schools I've met tons of good teachers but most were near retirement age, the younger ones mostly (not all) could always tell me how many days it was until their next holiday. I've never known a profession where so many people were so obsessed with not being at work, I eventually decided it wasn't a morale problem or an issue with bad management, but simply that they were in the wrong job and most didn't seem to realise it.
From my time working in schools I've met tons of good teachers but most were near retirement age, the younger ones mostly (not all) could always tell me how many days it was until their next holiday. I've never known a profession where so many people were so obsessed with not being at work, I eventually decided it wasn't a morale problem or an issue with bad management, but simply that they were in the wrong job and most didn't seem to realise it.
I think on top of that the teaching profession is one where staff are so spoon fed things and management bend over backwards every time to stop teachers from taking issues to their unions, that they're all so used to getting their own way that they get lazy, and the more they get handed to them on a plate, the more they want.
It's incredibly frustrating to watch from the support staff side of things, where you're at the bottom of the chain, you have no all powerful union to fight for you or any hope of ever getting any equality. A term that's used quite regularly: "It's one rule for them, another for us"
A friend of mine used to work at an academy school. It's still public sector but they're free to offer their teacher whatever contract these please.
The money was better but the contract was bonkers. Over the five weeks of the summer, she had to be at the school for three of them. You couldn't even work from home despite the lack of kids!
God knows what the contracts are like for free school teachers.
Sadly they are in the right job as they can get away with it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7372058.stm
just over 30k apparently... (source is 2008... but then again I dobt there has been huge wage inflation since then) - yes there are head teachers earning more, though senior management figures in any number of other professions will earn more still....
its getting to be a rather silly comparison... but the average for a GP is just over 100k... yes some of the people in this average figure essentially have a stake in a practice so will skew it to some extent. You're looking at a bracket that few teachers fit into and comparing with a bracket that includes doctors still near the start of their career and which pretty much all will progress through right up to the high end.. and beyond as the reach consultant... FWIW my sister has finished F1/F2 and is a couple years into her specialisation she's 29... now on 50-something.. she'll make it to consultant mid thirties... and still have 30 years of working life left... average salary for a 'doctor' whether specialising or going into general practice is significantly higher....
As far as professions go - teaching is low paid.... in so far as most other traditional professions will pay significantly more on average
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The other poster decide to compare junior doctor starting salaries vs teacher starting salaries - I thought I'd point out that the starting salaries aren't too relevant.
That link makes an interesting point, specifically this one:
This is where teachers have it incredibly easy, up to £11.5k pay increase for simply taking on extra responsibilities..... 99% of other jobs where people take on extra responsibility, not matter how extreme, are often paid nothing more for it, or paid in incredibly small increments for their trouble.
Neither are the job roles in any way comparable, so i'd hope people will stop trying to compare the simpletons that are teaching staff to GPs and doctors.
EDIT: I should probably apologise now for how incredibly opinionated and aggressive I'm going to be on this subject, there's a strong element of bitterness in me towards this subject, the way teachers teach, what they teach, the way they act, how incredibly naive and short sighted they are to the world around them, and lastly how stupidly selfish they all are.
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The average across the whole profession (excluding Headteachers and specialist skills teachers ) is £32.2k according to that .....which is comparable to the average salary of Doctors within the same parameters, in fact more than a comparable Doctor if you remove specialist skills from the equation.
However we were taking about Starting Salaries and the figures are a matter of public record with Starting Salaries ranging between £21.5 and £36.5k depending on various factors, which is comparable to starting salaries for Doctors.
http://www.education.gov.uk/get-into-teaching/salary/pay-and-benefits.aspx
It wasn't silly until you expanded the comparision to include self employed practice-owning GPs....
And in any case the average is not £100k, at least not according to official figures when comparing salaried GPs to salaried experienced specialist Teachers.
No it isn't.
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