US official killed in embassy raid in Libya

[AdladUK]

And you want them to do it again. Insanity.

Where did I suggest a full scale invasion of Syria huh?

No, they stand back because they have no mandate to declare war on Syria. Apparently you want another illegal war. That is stupidity of the worst kind.

I don't want any war of any kind. I certainly don't want to see thousands of innocent people lose their lives over nothing. But I would say right now the Syrian people need America far more than the Iraqi people did

 

[Danthus]

Look at the date on your source. It's at the start of the year before this was what it is now.

The president also tells the people of Syria, “We are with you.”

Yes he is with you... In words

The US have literally done zero to help Syria, except a few words by Obama now and again, his strongest being 6 months ago.

As for the change of policy if Assad uses chemical weapons... Well there are a lot of ways to kill people without using chemical weapons. How many have to die before something is done? 50,000? 100,000? A million?

Apart from arming and training a militia in Turkey.

 

[Sankari]

Where did I suggest a full scale invasion of Syria huh?

So what are you suggesting?

I don't want any war of any kind. I certainly don't want to see thousands of innocent people lose their lives over nothing. But I would say right now the Syrian people need America far more than the Iraqi people did

They certainly do. Now please explain how the USA can solve everything legally, and without declaring war on Syria.

 

[Xordium]

Apart from arming and training a militia in Turkey.

Yes and as Putin pointed out how well exactly did that work out with the mujahideen in Afghanistan. Not the best of ideas really.

 

[AdladUK]

So what are you suggesting?

I'm not a military strategist, but in my limited experience I think they should knock out Assad with covert attacks like they should have done to Osama 10 years ago. It may sound stupid and I may get flamed, but I'm pretty sure the SAS had the chance to kill Bin Laden without a full scale invasion of Afghanistan. Having troops on the ground never works, not long term. It never worked in Vietnam, it failed in Iraq and it would fail in Syria. Plus lots of people get killed in the process

 

[Danthus]

Yes and as Putin pointed out how well exactly did that work out with the mujahideen in Afghanistan. Not the best of ideas really.

I never said it was a good idea.

 

[AdladUK]

They certainly do. Now please explain how the USA can solve everything legally, and without declaring war on Syria.

The USA is breaking just about every rule of war in the book on a daily basis. They control drones like cowards dropping bombs killing innocent families, they keep men locked away without charge or trial and subject them to torture. Since when the hell has America breaking the law been an issue?

Okay I'm starting to look like a troll

 

[Danthus]

The USA is breaking just about every rule of war in the book on a daily basis. They control drones like cowards dropping bombs killing innocent families, they keep men locked away without charge or trial and subject them to torture. Since when the hell has America breaking the law being an issue?

Okay I'm starting to look like a troll

You are not wrong though.

 

[AdladUK]

You are not wrong though.

My original point was the whole thing is hypocrisy, because it's fake. America has stood up to Russia before in much more serious times, when there was a much higher risk of war because of their actions, so why not stand up now? It's because Syrians are dieing and at risk, not Americans.

That's all well and good but don't pretend to be the saviour of the World and try to police it. Don't invade countries telling people you do so to get rid of evil dictators and then when a real evil dictator kills countless just stand back and watch the show and offer only a few words as compensation

 

[sadbuttrue]

Without American troops on the ground, every Muslim country to have their dictator removed has turned into a terrorist playground. Even Egypt is going down the gutter.

The same people calling for American action in Syria also protested their action in Iraq

 

[Sankari]

I'm not a military strategist, but in my limited experience I think they should knock out Assad with covert attacks like they should have done to Osama 10 years ago.

OK, so you want an illegal assassination on a foreign head of state. And this would solve what, exactly? Do you remember what happened when Hussein and Gaddafi fell? Anarchy. Total chaos.

The USA is breaking just about every rule of war in the book on a daily basis. They control drones like cowards dropping bombs killing innocent families, they keep men locked away without charge or trial and subject them to torture.

If you can prove those innocent families have been deliberately targeted with full knowledge that they're harmless civilians, I'm sure the Hague will be delighted to hear from you. No argument about Guantanamo though, I'm with you all the way on that one.

Since when the hell has America breaking the law been an issue?

Since it involved starting the prospect of yet another illegal war that the US cannot afford, in the world's most unstable region, with no support from any of her allies.

 

[Dis86]

Perhaps we should get back on topic though;

The violent protests over, from what i've seen of it, a comedy film.

Plus the fact that these protests take place far too often over such pathetic things. Anyone remember the English teacher that was nearly lynched because the children in her class chose a certain name for a teddy bear?

 

[AdladUK]

Without American troops on the ground, every Muslim country to have their dictator removed has turned into a terrorist playground. Even Egypt is going down the gutter.

Yes because the daily bombings in Iraq are SUCH an improvement to how things were

American troops on the ground just give the psychos a target. It's like offering them bait.

The same people calling for American action in Syria also protested their action in Iraq

I'm not calling for any action any where. I'm saying the whole thing is a complete joke because America picks and choses which countries it helps and/or invades based on its own interests. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

Actually I think the best foreign policy for America would be staying the hell away. Don't get involved because isn't it obvious by now that American involvement just screws things up? Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, look at Iraq. Post WW2 American military interventions have been a complete and utter nightmare for pretty much every one involved (except the corporations making billions from the weapons used)

 

[RDM]

Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, look at Iraq. Post WW2 American military interventions have been a complete and utter nightmare for pretty much every one involved (except the corporations making billions from the weapons used)

I think South Korea would disagree that the US military intervention was an utter nightmare...

 

[magick]

I'm not a military strategist, but in my limited experience I think they should knock out Assad with covert attacks like they should have done to Osama 10 years ago. It may sound stupid and I may get flamed, but I'm pretty sure the SAS had the chance to kill Bin Laden without a full scale invasion of Afghanistan. Having troops on the ground never works, not long term. It never worked in Vietnam, it failed in Iraq and it would fail in Syria. Plus lots of people get killed in the process

You certainly aren't a millitary strategist. If you want to avoid lots of problems and a potential war the best thing to do is leave these dictaters in power. There's a reason Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad rule the way they do. To keep law and order and stop the religious nutjobs and criminals running riot in these countries they have to be ruhtless.


EDIT : Also regarding Bin Laden, the invasion of Afghanistan had nothing to do with tracking Bin Laden and more about making money for the military industrial complex and to stop the Taliban burning down the opium fields.

 

[Dis86]

Yes because the daily bombings in Iraq are SUCH an improvement to how things were

American troops on the ground just give the psychos a target. It's like offering them bait.



I'm not calling for any action any where. I'm saying the whole thing is a complete joke because America picks and choses which countries it helps and/or invades based on its own interests. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

Actually I think the best foreign policy for America would be staying the hell away. Don't get involved because isn't it obvious by now that American involvement just screws things up? Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, look at Iraq. Post WW2 American military interventions have been a complete and utter nightmare for pretty much every one involved (except the corporations making billions from the weapons used)

Korea? Really? Last time I checked South Korea (the part the Americans rescued) is one of the leading democracies and most advanced nations on the planet. What a massive fluff up that was eh?

 

[AdladUK]

OK, so you want an illegal assassination on a foreign head of state. And this would solve what, exactly? Do you remember what happened when Hussein and Gaddafi fell? Anarchy. Total chaos.

People said the same about leaving Vietnam, that there would be complete and utter chaos, that America HAD to be there to maintain stability. Look how that turned out

If you can prove those innocent families have been deliberately targeted with full knowledge that they're harmless civilians, I'm sure the Hague will be delighted to hear from you.

Of course I can't prove it, because it probably isn't the case, families weren't deliberately targeted, but what difference does it make? They're still died.

And since when has the Hague been anything but a laughing stock?

Since it involved starting the prospect of yet another illegal war that the US cannot afford, in the world's most unstable region, with no support from any of her allies.

haha that's funny. America was trillions in debt before the war and is even more so in debt now. As if any of it is real or matters, they can just print more money

 

[Danthus]

Perhaps we should get back on topic though;

The violent protests over, from what i've seen of it, a comedy film.

Plus the fact that these protests take place far too often over such pathetic things. Anyone remember the English teacher that was nearly lynched because the children in her class chose a certain name for a teddy bear?

Prophets, serious business.

 

[MeEsH BaKkA]

Yes because the daily bombings in Iraq are SUCH an improvement to how things were

American troops on the ground just give the psychos a target. It's like offering them bait.



I'm not calling for any action any where. I'm saying the whole thing is a complete joke because America picks and choses which countries it helps and/or invades based on its own interests. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

Actually I think the best foreign policy for America would be staying the hell away. Don't get involved because isn't it obvious by now that American involvement just screws things up? Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, look at Iraq. Post WW2 American military interventions have been a complete and utter nightmare for pretty much every one involved (except the corporations making billions from the weapons used)

I'm sure America would get involved more seriously (through even tougher sanctions or military intervention) but why risk a 3rd world war over a group of people who quite obviously don't like you?

 

[Johno please?]

No real reason to liberate Iraq? pfffffft

I advise even the most dyed in the wool anti war fanatics to at least watch a few of these.