Panasonic 42'' ST50 - Good choice ?

It is reported only on the 2012 Panasonic range, although I would say that every TV has some inherrent issue or another.....

My Panasonic ST50 has no banding, and I'm sure most do not, and even those that do it is extremely difficult to see and generally doesn't affect viewing. The trouble with the Internet is that every bad experience is reported so it often makes the seem far more prevalent than it really is.

yes i agree with this every problem on the net is made out to be totally bad to the T.V and can put a lot of people off buying the screen :( but as you say every T.V you buy today has small problems that go un noticed to the human eye :) if you look at the reviews of people on here most say nothing bad about the ST50 then one or two people write a bad review and all of a sudden the T.V is no good
 
It is reported only on the 2012 Panasonic range, although I would say that every TV has some inherrent issue or another.....

My Panasonic ST50 has no banding, and I'm sure most do not, and even those that do it is extremely difficult to see and generally doesn't affect viewing. The trouble with the Internet is that every bad experience is reported so it often makes the seem far more prevalent than it really is.

Castiel has said everything I have already pointed out in detail there jamjar. You should have enough information to make an informed decision by now.

Maybe read the posts already made here again because this is starting to go in circles.

The only thing I can add to Castiels comment (which doesn't help much) is that although he may say his ST50 has no banding it's probably because he has (wisely) not bothered to look for it. EVERY ST50 has it to different degrees. I remind you what I said in a previous post regarding the banding though...

"I should mention and will add this in no way should put you off considering this TV"

It's a brilliant TV and compared to the issues the 2011 panels had it's hardly even worth mentioning.
 
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Castiel has said everything I have already pointed out in detail there jamjar. You should have enough information to make an informed decision by now.

Maybe read the posts already made here again because this is starting to go in circles.

The only thing I can add to Castiels comment (which doesn't help much) is that although he may say his ST50 has no banding it's probably because he has (wisely) not bothered to look for it. EVERY ST50 has it to different degrees. I remind you what I said in a previous post regarding the banding though...

"I should mention and will add this in no way should put you off considering this TV"

It's a brilliant TV and compared to the issues the 2011 panels had it's hardly even worth mentioning.

thanks and i agree @)
 
yes i agree with this every problem on the net is made out to be totally bad to the T.V and can put a lot of people off buying the screen :( but as you say every T.V you buy today has small problems that go un noticed to the human eye :) if you look at the reviews of people on here most say nothing bad about the ST50 then one or two people write a bad review and all of a sudden the T.V is no good

Unless you spend extended amounts of time watching static grey screens I don't think the banding issue is as big as some make out, it won't put me off buying the TV.
 
Sorry to hear rikky. It is a bit of a panel lottery. I got lucky. Did the one bad panel put you off enough to get a refund or did you get a replacement?

It is a hassle having to get a replacement and it certainly helps depending on where you buy from. Richer Sounds (for example) might be a little cheaper than John Lewis say but John Lewis will pick up and replace where as RS you will have to transport yourself. Worth considering.

Mine wasn't bad enough to warrant me seeking a replacement and the chances are any replacement I would have got would have been worse.

Although to say this years models have "massive problems" is a bit sensationalist. If there were any real serious issues or "massive problems" the product would have been recalled by now and it hasn't been and it won't be. Most people who buy this TV are happy with it. As is always the case people use the internet to complain. So all those that got a bad one complain whilst the silent majority are happy and enjoying their new TVs. Are there a lot of complaints? Yes. Why? Because they [Panasonic] have sold so many of these things ;)

It's worth remembering that ALL modern TV's have some kind of drawback to them. The ST50 is no exception but if you get a good one then you will be happy. (I know somebody that had several replaced before he got one he was happy with)
Because of the chances of needing to replace or seek a refund it is most definitely worth considering who and where you are buying from.
These are not high-end plasmas but they do have a high-end picture so something has to give. We are talking about budget plasmas here after all and is something easily forgotten.
At least it isn't an issue that develops over time. It's something that is or isn't there from the start so you can make your own minds up right off the bat.

If you do buy from someone like Richer Sounds you do have the benefit that you can actually view the actual TV you intend to buy there. If anybody is doing this I recommend doing the following...
Ask to see your TV working. Once the salesman has your TV up and running ask him to navigate to the "software update" screen for you to view. (in network settings) This brings up a solid grey screen. This screen is the shade of grey that shows off those nasty vertical bands the worst (best?) If it looks good there you are onto a winner. On the other hand if there is any banding it will be all there for you to see instantly and you can ask for another.

As long as you buy wisely you should be in no way out of pocket should you get a TV you are not happy with so it's not like it's a risk.
and as always... view before you buy.

I ended up getting a refund and will wait until later in the year to see if the problem has been solved by Panasonic but after having a similar problem with an ST30 last year I am very doubtful.

FWIW Panasonic have already admitted that the vertical band on the right hand side is "normal" and part of the manufacturing process - you may get lucky and not get the rest of the stripes and it may not annoy you but that band will be there.
 
To put a little final perspective on this, here is a picture I managed to take showing my vertical line when I try very, very hard to look for it. You should also know it took me over 40 pictures before I could get one to display the line for you in any way and that you will also see what seems to be horizontal lines. The horizontal lines do NOT exist and are just a photographic anomaly coming from a crap 5 year old camera phone. Obvious by the non uniformed nature of this effect. (i.e slanty horizontal angle)

All this further goes to demonstrate just how hard the banding can be to see if things that don't exist show up easier ;)

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Now to what this looks like in real world use...



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Looks fine to me :p
 
To put a little final perspective on this, here is a picture I managed to take showing my vertical line when I try very, very hard to look for it. You should also know it took me over 40 pictures before I could get one to display the line for you in any way and that you will also see what seems to be horizontal lines. The horizontal lines do NOT exist and are just a photographic anomaly coming from a crap 5 year old camera phone. Obvious by the non uniformed nature of this effect. (i.e slanty horizontal angle)

All this further goes to demonstrate just how hard the banding can be to see if things that don't exist show up easier ;)

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Now to what this looks like in real world use...



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Looks fine to me :p

She does.:D

Do you watch any sports where the camera pans horizontally out of interest - as you say if it just is one band then you really are on to a winner and shouldn't go looking for an exchange because the chances are you will end up with something far worse.

If it bothers you get a refund ... as people expecting perfect panels are just asking for a whole load of grief.
 
I'm a massive sports fan rikky. The reason I bought the tv was for the Olympics and by the time they had finished I had passed 200 hrs viewing. I watch a lot of football and golf too.
Like iv'e said in a previous post as long you don't try using "True Cinema" for sport you can get a very pleasing picture where banding isn't an issue.

And of course i'm not returning it. It's the best TV iv'e ever owned. Why would i?
 
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I'm a massive sports fan rikky. The reason I bought the tv was for the Olympics and by the time they had finished I had passed 200 hrs viewing. I watch a lot of football and golf too.
Like iv'e said in a previous post as long you don't try using "True Cinema" for sport you can get a very pleasing picture where banding isn't an issue.

And of course i'm not returning it. It's the best TV iv'e ever owned. Why would i?

My calibration is based on the 'True Cinema' base, I have no issues with banding in any real world application of the panel, be it sport or otherwise. It should be pointed out that all plasma/LCD/LED screens have an issue or two to one degree or another if you really want to disseminate the screen to that kind of level....unless you pay £10k for a panel you will simply have to learn to live with some minor imperfections in panel design. You can get some posterisation particularly with poor broadcast quality HD (see skyHD Game of Thrones), but again this is inherent in the technology and the price point.

Essentially the Panasonic 2012 range, and particularly the ST50 range are exceptional value for money with exceptional panel quality and black response, not to mention that you would be hard pushed to find a better calibrated picture in any of the LED/LCD rivals out their including the flagship Samsung at twice the cost.

If you are predominantly a movie/sport viewer and do not view in a bright room then the Panasonic range is second to none in retail TV's at the moment.

The only real advice I can give anyone buying a TV is to view the it first in a viewing room, many retailers will be able to accomodate this, including Richer Sounds and Sevenoaks. Take you time and make the choice based on what you watch and the viewing conditions and placement in your home. Don't buy a Plasma if you have room flooded with sunlight, and don't buy a LCD if you watch cinema material in a dark environment as a basic rule.

Just bear in mind, any panel will take over 200hours of viewing to settle, and if you can afford it or have the know how and equipment yourself, calibrate the panel after the burn in period....you will be astounded at the PQ comparison between a calibrated and a standard Panel.
 
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I have a GT50.. at first I didnt notice the band as mine doesnt appear on the system update screen.. the only place it appears in is football panning shots.

My TV is a little over 1 week old and I dont know whether I should get a replacement or not. Im fairly sure ALL 2012 Panasonics have the problem, just people haven't looked for it as its hard to spot.... but once you see it, it gets to you like OCD.
 
I have a GT50.. at first I didnt notice the band as mine doesnt appear on the system update screen.. the only place it appears in is football panning shots.

My TV is a little over 1 week old and I dont know whether I should get a replacement or not. Im fairly sure ALL 2012 Panasonics have the problem, just people haven't looked for it as its hard to spot.... but once you see it, it gets to you like OCD.

People are saying that ALL 2012 Panasonics have this issue, yet I spent an inordinate amount of time running through various slides and calibration pictures and never came across the issue at all, I certainly don't see any banding during football (which I watch all the time) and I can assure you that I am as OCD about these things as anyone, probably more so. I have seen it on some Panasonics, but then not on others, so I think it depends on the Panel and is not something that you are guaranteed to see on EVERY Panasonic. The only real issue I have is posterisation on some low quality HD material and line bleed on the menu screen. I seem to have escaped the DSE issues, maybe because I ran slides for two weeks prior to using the panel in order to evenly age the phosphors..I don't know.

I have had mine since release day, so several months.
 
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thanks for the info and the photos were great ! i think that if you want perfection in a T.V your going to be spending a lifetime searching for it :) in my view unless its bright pink and stopping you watching it then chances are you can go from the frying pan into the fire keep changing the model to find the perfect screen :) for me from a CRT T.V to a Plasma or LED is giant step up ! as the great man said one step for man is a giant step for mankind :)
 
My calibration is based on the 'True Cinema' base, I have no issues with banding in any real world application of the panel, be it sport or otherwise. It should be pointed out that all plasma/LCD/LED screens have an issue or two to one degree or another if you really want to disseminate the screen to that kind of level....unless you pay £10k for a panel you will simply have to learn to live with some minor imperfections in panel design. You can get some posterisation particularly with poor broadcast quality HD (see skyHD Game of Thrones), but again this is inherent in the technology and the price point.

Essentially the Panasonic 2012 range, and particularly the ST50 range are exceptional value for money with exceptional panel quality and black response, not to mention that you would be hard pushed to find a better calibrated picture in any of the LED/LCD rivals out their including the flagship Samsung at twice the cost.

If you are predominantly a movie/sport viewer and do not view in a bright room then the Panasonic range is second to none in retail TV's at the moment.

The only real advice I can give anyone buying a TV is to view the it first in a viewing room, many retailers will be able to accomodate this, including Richer Sounds and Sevenoaks. Take you time and make the choice based on what you watch and the viewing conditions and placement in your home. Don't buy a Plasma if you have room flooded with sunlight, and don't buy a LCD if you watch cinema material in a dark environment as a basic rule.

Just bear in mind, any panel will take over 200hours of viewing to settle, and if you can afford it or have the know how and equipment yourself, calibrate the panel after the burn in period....you will be astounded at the PQ comparison between a calibrated and a standard Panel.
Yes this is true ..but there are things called blinds and curtains you can close out any sunlight if needed :) i get sunlight in my front room but have vertical blinds that i use to watch the t.v in daytime which isn,t a lot ,i have an old CRT mirror like Sony so i,m talking massive refection ha! no coating in those days lol but i have watched it for 10 years like that .So any T.V i buy now is going to a massive step up in terms of picture quality and refective screen :)
 
yeah i,m in a dilema at the moment my uncle has asked me if i want to buy his brand new SonyKDL40HX723 LED T.V for £515.00 with 3D glasses but i was due to buy the Panasonic TX-P42ST50 Plasma T.V which is a lot more money ,its got my head spinning abit as to what i should do ? still love the Plasma picture for its natural look and great blacks ,so think the extra money is worth it in the long run ,would hate to buy the Sony and find out its not what i want :(

Be aware the HX723 .although LED has the edge to edge glass front which is just as reflective as the Panny Plasma's (if not more, looking at our display) :)
 
Be aware the HX723 .although LED has the edge to edge glass front which is just as reflective as the Panny Plasma's (if not more, looking at our display) :)

oh i have vertical blinds in my front room so just ajust them to stop light :)
 
it was at the co-op but it went out of stock today :( so I'll have to do another rethink!

Back in stock at the Co-op for £779 with the free 2 pairs of glasses offer :cool: just a pity I'm forking out for solicitors fees. Might have to wait till the end of the month and buy it then........but i want it now :p
 
Back in stock at the Co-op for £779 with the free 2 pairs of glasses offer :cool: just a pity I'm forking out for solicitors fees. Might have to wait till the end of the month and buy it then........but i want it now :p

I,ve seen it online for sale for £764.00 with postage :)
 
Does anyone that has this TV use the recording function on it ? I'm interested in buying a hard drive that would be suitable for recording via the USB sockets - but the Panasonic website only really lists one Buffalo drive that is suitable. Not to sure whether to just buy a relatively low capacity USB powered HD for the task - or buy a bigger mains powered drive.

Received my GT50 2 days ago and the picture is amazing.
 
Does anyone that has this TV use the recording function on it ? I'm interested in buying a hard drive that would be suitable for recording via the USB sockets - but the Panasonic website only really lists one Buffalo drive that is suitable. Not to sure whether to just buy a relatively low capacity USB powered HD for the task - or buy a bigger mains powered drive.

Received my GT50 2 days ago and the picture is amazing.

i am using an icybox caddy(mains powered) with a 1tb western digital cav green .this works fine
 
Waiting for this tv to drop in price before I buy. Was going to around two weeks ago but had been told price drops were likely around mid November so I shall wait and see. Took a bit of searching and reading but this tv seems almost perfect and if I can get it less than the £799 I see it at Simplyelectricals I shall be happy.

There is also cashback from topcashback.com I believe for Simplyelectricals works out at around £36 so something to bear in mind for anyone interested.
 
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