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Third Opinion

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I know it's the daily fail but just when thought it was safe to go back on the roads.

Vehicle tax will be replaced by pay-as-you drive tolls,Transport Minister Norman Baker has predicted.
He warned that a projected fall in Treasury fuel revenues and the growth in electric and greener cars made a new road pricing system inevitable.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elebrate-likely-replaced-pay-drive-tolls.html
 
So after the big push towards getting people into more economical cars with road tax incentives and the massive taxes levied onto our fuels they now decide to take away any advantage of driving a more economical car by scrapping the banded tax system and cutting tax on fuel therefore reducing the financial incentive to not drive a gas guzzler.

Joe average who just bought his Kia Rio ecodynamics is going to be pretty cheesed off and petrol heads can now use man maths to justify getting better value per mile in a 3.0 v6 :D

Whatever the system they use I think the vast majority of people will look at it in terms of 'will this increase or decrease the cost of getting to work and back'. As someone who is currently trying to mitigate a large increase in travel costs through no fault of my own I certainly would look at it like that and would be rather cheesed off if I'm financially punished again for doing everything I can to keep a semi decent job while only being able to afford the same level of lifestyle as your average benefit sponge.
 
Can't they just put it on the price of fuel? Tolls are good for one thing, testing 0-60 times, but only after spending ages queueing.
 
Trifid said:
Can't they just put it on the price of fuel? Tolls are good for one thing, testing 0-60 times, but only after spending ages queueing.
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Doesn't effect leccy' cars, and you can't just stick it on the price of home electric, there'd be ptchforks at dawn
 
I wouldn't mind so much if the revenue was guaranteed to actually be spent on the transport infrastructure. The toll roads I've driven on in Europe are of exceptional quality - smooth, quiet and with little congestion. The cynic in me tells me that probably wont happen here.
 
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It is inevitable. Just a question of when really.

PAYG models have the greatest potential to charge you more. Of course there will be measures like "season passes" and "unlimited passes" but you'll pay handsomely for these.

A system like this isn't just introduced overnight. It would be phased in. They're just looking, as politicians, for that "good enough" USP (unique selling point) angle that they can use to force it through.
 
NathanE said:
It is inevitable. Just a question of when really.

PAYG models have the greatest potential to charge you more. Of course there will be measures like "season passes" and "unlimited passes" but you'll pay handsomely for these.

A system like this isn't just introduced overnight. It would be phased in. They're just looking, as politicians, for that "good enough" USP (unique selling point) angle that they can use to force it through.
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Well at least they can't BS us now using the environment line, it will be congestion.
 
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This would work out well for me, 50% cut in fuel duty and short trips to school and back, never use the motorway and days out involve driving in the republic of Ireland, I could be tempted into buying a nice, big, thirsty car.
 
The government, of one stamp or another, have been trying to bring in road pricing since the early Nineties. Those with long memories might remember John Major setting up a pilot study around Cambridge an about 1991. The problem then, and a lot now, is the technology: it still isn't completely reliable, with too many ways of sabotaging the tags used for monitoring. But the reason the government likes it not just the tax revenue (although I'm sure that gets factored in) but because it can be used for behaviour control: it was always the intention to have road pricing rates dependent on the time of day, to try to spread the Rush Hour out, for example. It would also vary by locations, to make public transport more attractive in crowded cities - which is why Cambridge was chosen for the trial. That is what makes it so popular with governments. And why it is coming, although who knows when.
 
Cuchulain said:
This would work out well for me, 50% cut in fuel duty and short trips to school and back, never use the motorway and days out involve driving in the republic of Ireland, I could be tempted into buying a nice, big, thirsty car.
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The thing is when this all started last time initially they talked about scraping fuel duty, road tax and other tolls. In exchange we could be charged up to £1.60 per mile, the amount would vary from road to road.

As more details were slowly revealed environmental concerns were used as an excuse to change it from a scrapping of fuel duty to a reduction. As it went on it was suggested that 10% could be taken off it. Hang on, doesn't seem so attractive now as we will be paying per mile and still having the 90% fuel duty.

Same happened with road tax and I am sure it will again, a scrapping will slowly turn into a reduction, and probably only for the electric vehicles.

It will never work in the motorist favor, we are seen a cash cow and always will be. Look at fuel prices at the moment, record highs but they still get away with increasing fuel tax and road tax.

Plus a black box will no doubt be used to monitor speed, see if your insured and MOT'd. Monitor your journeys you can just imagine it.

At the end of the month you get an invoice:

32 miles @ £1.60
105 miles @ £1.20
240 miles @£0.90

1 x speeding fine for doing 34 mph in a 30mph zone committed on the 12/05/15 @£65
1 x speeding fine for doing 55 mph in a 50mph zone committed on the 28/06/15 @£85

1 x parking endorsement @ £65

etc, etc etc.

Black boxes will be big brother. Maybe not at first but they will be eventually.
 
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They won't need a black box. Technology has reached a stage where number plate recognition could do most of it. The technology is here, unlike in the 90's. So this will almost certainly come in at some point.
 
Good. I want pay as you drive taxation.
Paying £450+ to tax a supercar that does 1000 miles per year, but letting off Mr Sales in his 320d who does 50,000 miles with only £90 tax is just silly.
 
I highly doubt the duty on fuel will drop. But if it does then the next car I get will be a large engined one. I only do around 6k a year anyway.
 
Rilot said:
Good. I want pay as you drive taxation.
Paying £450+ to tax a supercar that does 1000 miles per year, but letting off Mr Sales in his 320d who does 50,000 miles with only £90 tax is just silly.
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But how much tax does the 1000 miles pay on fuel compared to 50,000?

System is fine as it is.
 
Hades said:
They won't need a black box. Technology has reached a stage where number plate recognition could do most of it. The technology is here, unlike in the 90's. So this will almost certainly come in at some point.
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Mr Baker said the scrapping of excise duty and a cut in fuel taxes would be evened out by new charges monitored by a 'black box' in the vehicles.
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All I can say is I hope you are right, and the article is just DM scaremongering!
 
Unless they hire a policeman for every street corner to stop all the people with fake plates it won't work in most places! In the future though I can see black boxes being made manditory at some point, it will go through as an EU thing and all new cars will have one, give it 10 years, introduce that other EU thing to ban modified/old cars and there you go, tax tax tax!
 
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