Child obesity - Your thoughts

robgmun said:
It doesn't take a genius to see that Special K or Weatabix is probably better for you then a chocolate covered surgery fat bomb of a cereal

When i was a nipper i loved Weatabix!
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it did help they were cartoon characters in the adverts :)

i ended up putting too much sugar on them. ended up with ricicles as my favourite, but i burnt the energy off biking to school and playing footy at every break/dinner. too many kids are chauffeur driven these days.
 
krooton said:
per ovenbaked pie (17.4p / kg)
Energy kCal 333kCal
Energy kJ 1,392kJ
Protein 7.2g
Carbohydrate 31.9g
of which sugars 6.0g
Fat 19.3g
of which saturates 9.5g
Fibre 1.6g
Sodium 0.2g
Salt Equivalent 0.6g



100g of dried lentils from Asda (17.5p / 100g)

Energy kCal 297kCal
Energy kJ 1,264kJ
Protein 24.0g
Carbohydrate 48.8g
of which sugars N/A
Fat 1.9g
of which saturates N/A
Fibre N/A
Sodium N/A
Salt N/A

So for the same price, you get 3 times the protein, 60% more carbs and a tenth of the fat.
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Ah yes, because everyone wants to 100g of lentils for a meal.
 
Haggisman said:
This is true, but then if you were going to make a chicken pie, you'd make it properly. There's also the fact that it would take 3-4 times longer to cook than shoving a pre-made, pre-cooked pie in the oven to warm up for 20 mins. Unfortunately in current society it's virtually a requirement for both parents to work to have any hope of a comfortable life - this doesn't leave a huge amount of time to prepare food after getting home at ~6pm and kids are due in bed by 8-9pm. :(
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So save the pies for the weekend, and get a slow cooker for pulse/bean based dishes during the week if you are that hard up for cash.

Slow cooking large quantities of healthy food that can be frozen is the single cheapest way to feed a group of people a healthy diet.
 
krooton said:
per ovenbaked pie (17.4p / kg)
Energy kCal 333kCal
Energy kJ 1,392kJ
Protein 7.2g
Carbohydrate 31.9g
of which sugars 6.0g
Fat 19.3g
of which saturates 9.5g
Fibre 1.6g
Sodium 0.2g
Salt Equivalent 0.6g



100g of dried lentils from Asda (17.5p / 100g)

Energy kCal 297kCal
Energy kJ 1,264kJ
Protein 24.0g
Carbohydrate 48.8g
of which sugars N/A
Fat 1.9g
of which saturates N/A
Fibre N/A
Sodium N/A
Salt N/A

So for the same price, you get 3 times the protein, 60% more carbs and a tenth of the fat.
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Might wanna check your maths there ;)

krooton said:
So save the pies for the weekend, and get a slow cooker for pulse/bean based dishes during the week if you are that hard up for cash.

Slow cooking large quantities of healthy food that can be frozen is the single cheapest way to feed a group of people a healthy diet.
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I'd probably shoot myself after the second week of eating beans for every meal. ;)
 
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Omaeka said:
Steak is not chicken and chicken is not steak. If you went and got a steak pie then you'd be eating 80% grease, pastry and salt and 20% meat, home made is gonna cost a lot more with steaks. :p
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I wasn't comparing the two, only saying how much the damned thing cost...I could've bought one for £2.49...it would have been rubbish compared to mine, but then if I was on a budget then the £2.49 would have been a necessity.
 
Morba said:
Ah yes, because everyone wants to 100g of lentils for a meal.
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I'm just giving base stats, portion a mail with 25g of lentils and 75% of other ingredients and you get a balanced tasty meal.

Cheap pies are a false economy, as you are mostly paying for flour and water and some flavouring.
 
krooton said:
I'm just giving base stats, portion a mail with 25g of lentils and 75% of other ingredients and you get a balanced tasty meal.

Cheap pies are a false economy, as you are mostly paying for flour and water and some flavouring.
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Regardless of what you are paying for it equals lots of kcal, enough to feel full on at least (unless you are me).

So it isn't false economy unless you are trying to be specific about the foods that you are trying to consume.
 
Telescopi said:
Wait, 8.5 times the nutrition for only 2.5 times the price.

The whole point of eating healthily is to fill the protein, fat, fibre and micronutrient requirement before stacking cheap carbs on top.

So if the measly amount of chicken and veg in the pie is really all you require (it isn't) then you could eat the same nutrition for a 3rd of the cost and have a few more cheap chips to satisfy your requirement.

You eat as well, for less!

Or eat better for the same.

Yes you have to read the back of the packet, know some rda's and do some simple calculations. This requires you to give a damn which most obese people don't.

ps. I was obese, I didn't give a damn, I changed my mind, educated myself and now I'm not. I didn't need an excuse then and I don't now.
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But the healthy vs unhealthy argument is that you eat the correct micronutrients vs the incorrect micronutrients. Why are you trying to prove buying "healthy" food and eating it in "unhealthy" amounts works out just the same as processed food? It really doesn't matter if you are still eating the same micros as the crap food.
 
Haggisman said:
Not sure if serious? (if it is just carbonated water then it's no worse than regular water) :p



This is true, but then if you were going to make a chicken pie, you'd make it properly. There's also the fact that it would take 3-4 times longer to cook than shoving a pre-made, pre-cooked pie in the oven to warm up for 20 mins. Unfortunately in current society it's virtually a requirement for both parents to work to have any hope of a comfortable life - this doesn't leave a huge amount of time to prepare food after getting home at ~6pm and kids are due in bed by 8-9pm. :(
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THIS ^^^^

Judgeneo said:
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the fatty evil that is coca-cola yet
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Dont you dare mention the holy grail of all cola's.


i dont think we need to change the food. ive managed to live life eating what i want when i want and still never top 10 stone in weight
 
Haggisman said:
Ok fair enough that is excessive for a child, I was thinking 4x adults, but what you've quoted is only 850kc (i'll ignore the massive stereotyping about frying, along with the fact that no one mentioned anything about having bread with it).
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Working class people of my parents generation fry chips, they fill the plate with as many fried chips as they can and then they stack on the white bread - 2 rounds minimum, you get funny looks asking for less and you're basically insane if you ask for none. They'll just ignore you and give you bread anyway in my experience.

Sterotypes become so because they're true to a lesser or greater extent. Perhaps your experiences are different but in a northern (ex)colliery town that's how it is.

I still like it, when I go back, it's homely (reminds me of childhood no doubt) but I'm not lifting and hauling 8 hours a day like my parents generation did, if I ate like that sat at a desk I'd be a whale and there'd be nothing I could do about it.
 
grimm said:
It is bad parenting, but it's a sensitive subject I suppose because it's criticising someone's lifestyle choice.

I find it difficult to comment on without being insulting to fatties to be honest :)
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yet pot smokers are criminals and cigarette smokers are changed a fortune in tax...

i agree its a tough one. i eat too much chocolate but im not overweight... just tired due to waking baby 3 times every night. im not sure i should be taxed as shouldnt thin people. but how do we stop the fatties who are going to cost us all a fortune?!?
 
topgun06 said:
At the Derby game last Saturday I noticed on the row in front that the man was feeding his children utter rubbish at half time. A Galaxy chocolate bar, packet of Rolos, a Mars Bar and a bag of crisps each. He himself had a Mars, Snickers and a whole bag of crisps to himself.

They weren't fat. But it isn't really the best example to be setting.
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a whole bag of crisps! :rolleyes: :D

i know what you mean but the way you said it made me laugh.
 
Fluttershy said:
But the healthy vs unhealthy argument is that you eat the correct micronutrients vs the incorrect micronutrients. Why are you trying to prove buying "healthy" food and eating it in "unhealthy" amounts works out just the same as processed food? It really doesn't matter if you are still eating the same micros as the crap food.
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Lets say this as simply as I can.

For the same money, and same time you can have more nutrients. All you need to do is think more.

You don't need to buy filet steak, you don't need to buy £10/kg organic courgettes, you don't need to spend 6 hours in the kitchen like delia. You do need to read about diet and you do need to read the back of the packet.
 
troops said:
I think a lot of it is ignorance about food, when i was a school along time ago, you had to eat the horrible cabbage and greens but was told it was good for you.
Plus there were school canteens although not the best food it was fresh/decent, now a days its all contracted rubbish i hear.
As long as cheap sugar and fueled food available a lot of parents take the easy fast food option.
Apparently prisoners have up to 5 meals per day, i wish i did :D
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"Apparently prisoners have up to 5 meals per day"

where did you read that? the daily mail? its 3 at most. at weekends its cold stuff to save on kitchen staff.
 
Morba said:
Regardless of what you are paying for it equals lots of kcal, enough to feel full on at least (unless you are me).

So it isn't false economy unless you are trying to be specific about the foods that you are trying to consume.
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Asda puff pastry (20p / 100g)

Typical values (ovenbaked) per 100g:
Energy 1565kJ/375kcal
Protein 5.7g
Carbohydrate 35.2g
of which sugars 1.3g
Fat 23.3g
of which saturates 11.6g
Fibre 1.0g
Sodium 0.4g
equivalent as salt 1.0g

Asda chicken pie
per ovenbaked pie (17.4p / 100g)
Energy kCal 277kCal
Energy kJ 1,160kJ
Protein 6g
Carbohydrate 26.6g
of which sugars 5.0g
Fat 16g
of which saturates 7.9g
Fibre 1.3g
Sodium 0.2g
Salt Equivalent 0.5g

You get 35% more calories, and almost the same amount of protein from just eating pastry on it's own, haha. And the pastry is only 15% more expensive gram for gram.
 
krooton said:
Asda puff pastry (20p / 100g)

Typical values (ovenbaked) per 100g:
Energy 1565kJ/375kcal
Protein 5.7g
Carbohydrate 35.2g
of which sugars 1.3g
Fat 23.3g
of which saturates 11.6g
Fibre 1.0g
Sodium 0.4g
equivalent as salt 1.0g

Asda chicken pie
per ovenbaked pie (17.4p / 100g)
Energy kCal 277kCal
Energy kJ 1,160kJ
Protein 6g
Carbohydrate 26.6g
of which sugars 5.0g
Fat 16g
of which saturates 7.9g
Fibre 1.3g
Sodium 0.2g
Salt Equivalent 0.5g

You get 35% more calories, and almost the same amount of protein from just eating pastry on it's own, haha. And the pastry is only 15% more expensive gram for gram.
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That's actually quite sad lol. Shows how little chicken is actually in the pie :(
 
Regarding foods, there should be a dummy's labelling system. Something like:

Per Serving:
Red = more than 30% of daily adult recommended calorie intake
Orange = 20-29%
Yellow = 5-19%
Green = 0-4% (eat as much as you like, pretty much)

Rather than the multitude of info that many obviously can't be bothered to read.
 
Telescopi said:
Lets say this as simply as I can.

For the same money, and same time you can have more nutrients. All you need to do is think more.

You don't need to buy filet steak, you don't need to buy £10/kg organic courgettes, you don't need to spend 6 hours in the kitchen like delia. You do need to read about diet and you do need to read the back of the packet.
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Actually with the pies example, averaging out the cost/g:

Chicken pie:84p/480g = 0.175p/g
Chicken breast: 200p/400g = 0.5p/g

That means that the 40g of chicken in the pie is costing 7p, whereas 40g of the chicken breast costs 20p. Almost 3 times as much for the same amount.

Of course this is because the other cheaper ingredients in the pie bring the average cost down, but you're still getting fed for less money.

The fact that it's not as healthy or nutritional is the whole point, if it was, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
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