Missing girl 15, runs off with Maths teacher.

Guest2 · 29 Sep 2012 at 10:33

As she is in France, is it 'fine' as the age of consent is 15? Then just wait until she turns 16 and return to UK

MrMoonX · 29 Sep 2012 at 10:53

kinetic747 said:
A teacher at my daughters school was jailed for 6 years for having sex with 3 pupils, he was out in a little over 2 so I'll be surprised if he gets more than that.

That's not possible unless he spent a year on remand!
6 year sentence since CJ act 2003 is automatic release at half way less time spent on remand. Sentences of 4 years or more means that person cannot be released before half way point on tagging.

MrMoonX · 29 Sep 2012 at 10:55

Guest2 said:
As she is in France, is it 'fine' as the age of consent is 15? Then just wait until she turns 16 and return to UK

No because he technically took her from the uk hence the arrest warrant for child abduction. He has committed an offence under uk law and will be extradited from France to our courts!

Guest2 · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:07

MrMoonX said:
No because he technically took her from the uk hence the arrest warrant for child abduction. He has committed an offence under uk law and will be extradited from France to our courts!

Its hardly child abduction if she ran off with him :confused:

Am I missing something, other than the fact she is 15 rather than 16

PapaLazaru · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:10

Guest2 said:
Am I missing something, other than the fact she is 15 rather than 16

No, you are not missing anything. She went willingly so he did not abduct or take her. He can only really be tried for sex with a minor if that can be proven to have happened whilst in the UK.

Amp34 · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:16

What's the betting the consulate and soon her parents/social workers are busy telling her she was a victim of an evil man, that she doesn't love him and he never loved here etc. etc....?

Lets vilify the man as much as possible basically...

Guest2 · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:22

Has he been arrested for child abduction? 'The teacher arrested on suspicion of child abduction after going missing with Megan Stammers will return to the UK, his lawyers have said'

If she was 16 would it have been classed as Kidnapping, or just a couple going on holiday? I'm confused

[TW]Fox · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:22

PapaLazaru said:
He can only really be tried for sex with a minor if that can be proven to have happened whilst in the UK.

Not true.

Guest2 · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:29

[TW]Fox;22865240 said:
Not true.

How can he be arrested for abduction if she was willing to go?

Glaucus · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:32

Guest2 said:
How can he be arrested for abduction if she was willing to go?

Probably becuase she's a minor and so can't legally decide. At a guess.

Guest2 · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:39

Glaucus said:
Probably becuase she's a minor and so can't legally decide. At a guess.

Law is stupid, so at 15 its classed as child abduction, but if she turned 16 it would have been a holiday with an older guy :confused:

What if someone in Spain went on holiday to UK with a 13 year old girl, would that be fine in UK (so long as they didn't have sex until they landed on Spanish soil again)

Hades · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:43

PapaLazaru said:
No, you are not missing anything. She went willingly so he did not abduct or take her. He can only really be tried for sex with a minor if that can be proven to have happened whilst in the UK.

At 15 they need her mothers permission, which they didn't have. Therefore it is child abduction.

this_is_gav · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:44

Guest2 said:
Law is stupid, so at 15 its classed as child abduction, but if she turned 16 it would have been a holiday with an older guy

If it's 16 he still would have been arrested and probably jailed, as he was in a position of trust (being her maths teacher).

It's painfully obvious who in this thread has children.

MrMoonX · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:44

Guest2 said:
As she is in France, is it 'fine' as the age of consent is 15? Then just wait until she turns 16 and return to UK

Amp34 said:
What's the betting the consulate and soon her parents/social workers are busy telling her she was a victim of an evil man, that she doesn't love him and he never loved here etc. etc....?

Lets vilify the man as much as possible basically...

No matter what he's the adult he should know better! I can't believe the amount of posters seem to think its ok to run off with a 15 year old!! He's a teacher and as such in a position of power, no matter what she did he is in the wrong!

KnightStalker · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:46

If she was 16, do you think people would actually mind? Like would it be big news with an age gap that big etc, and is there anything legally that could have been done, im assuming he was in a position of trust being a maths teacher so he could get done for something i think even if she was 16.

Richie · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:50

Guest2 said:
Its hardly child abduction if she ran off with him

Am I missing something, other than the fact she is 15 rather than 16

PapaLazaru said:
No, you are not missing anything. She went willingly so he did not abduct or take her. He can only really be tried for sex with a minor if that can be proven to have happened whilst in the UK.

Guest2 said:
Law is stupid, so at 15 its classed as child abduction, but if she turned 16 it would have been a holiday with an older guy

What if someone in Spain went on holiday to UK with a 13 year old girl, would that be fine in UK (so long as they didn't have sex until they landed on Spanish soil again)

Can people just not be bothered reading anything in a thread before posting stuff? Ok, its now at 17 pages but going back 1 page and reading a few posts would have answered it all

Richie said:
Legally speaking he has actually committed child abduction due to her age of being under 16 (this applies in E&W). If she was 16 then he would have been fine.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/37/section/2

Richie said:
Not totally correct.

It's already been covered in the thread.

Crimes committed = child abduction (crime is complete already)
Crime possible - Sexual Activity with a Child (section 9 SOA 2003) and Abuse of a position of trust (section 16 SOA 2003)

Also, it does not matter where the crime happened or the laws of the country it happened in. If the offender is a UK resident then he is treated as if the offence happened within the UK. This was brought in to stop people going to other countries e.g. Philippines and doing what they wanted due to their local laws.

This "statutory rape" thing that keeps getting flung about on these boards is just not correct. Statutory rape can only happen if the child is 12 and under, not under 16. 13-15 = Sexual Activity with a Child NOT Statutory Rape....

Richie said:
No. It is not a blanket law.

There is a specific part of the SOA 2003 that enables the prosecution of people from the UK if they committed an offence in contravention of SOA 2003 within another country as if they had committed it within the UK.

s.72 SOA 2003 - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/72

As for Spanish thing - without knowing the law in Spain I cannot say if there would be a crime.

XeNoN89 · 29 Sep 2012 at 11:52

Dave Chappelle: How old is 15 really?

kinetic747 · 29 Sep 2012 at 12:01

MrMoonX said:
That's not possible unless he spent a year on remand!
6 year sentence since CJ act 2003 is automatic release at half way less time spent on remand. Sentences of 4 years or more means that person cannot be released before half way point on tagging.

My apologies, I've just asked my daughter again and she now says it was a rumour that he had been released so probably untrue. This is the story here, makes this latest incident tame in comparison.

BunnyKillBot · 29 Sep 2012 at 12:06

The media by the by reporting on this is surely a joke. 'Megan flying home soon!' and 'Jeremy NOT fighting extradition process!'. What non-stories.

Guest2 · 29 Sep 2012 at 12:24

Suppose he deserves to go down for being that retarded he couldn't wait a few months until she was 16!

Spanish age of consent is a bit low isn't it - 13??