660ti decent?

[tommybhoy]

Unoptimized drivers wouldn't stop 2 of the best cards from the last gen maxing a game. That was my point. Probably run even better now does it?

Have you used CrossFire/Sli before?

If the drivers aren't optimised for dual or more, worst case scenario-performance can be worse than single cards.

It ran fantastic, gutted I don't have them any more, if I never had 3D, I would never have split them up tbh.

Another member on here who I talk to recently did the same, wasn't happy with his 7870, switched to a 660ti and he couldn't be happier.

That's usually what happens, however it's a two way street, with plenty going that route.

 

[Spenty]

That's usually what happens, however it's a two way street, with plenty going that route.

Agreed, I didn't want to argue the fact which one performed better but humbug dragged me into it again posting that graph. My point was with nvidia you're more likely to get what you've paid for from the start rather than waiting for drivers.

 

[humbug]

Agreed, I didn't want to argue the fact which one performed better but humbugg dragged me into it again posting that graph. My point was with nvidia your more likely to get what you've paid for from the start rather than waiting for drivers.

More conjecture, Drivers are fine right now, no waiting necessary.

 

[Spenty]

More conjecture, Drivers are fine right now, no waiting necessary.

Fine for you yes? Explain how you know they're fine for everyone else. I like how you've started using the word conjecture since spoffle used it in the other thread. Really makes me think how intelligent you are

30th Sep 2012, 00:47 #91
spoffle
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Joined: Jul 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Yes but you miss the point entirely that a lot of people simply dont buy their parts based on performance figures alone. Some people actually want higher quality parts inside their PCs.
It's irrelevant, you're forcing your preferences in to the situation.

In simple terms, the most fair comparison is cheapest to cheapest and stop with the conjecture.

 

[tommybhoy]

My point was with nvidia you're more likely to get what you've paid for from the start rather than waiting for drivers.

There's a user here who had that point of view too, he swapped to Nvidia and despite saying that it's all good with no problems and better release support, in a lot of posts, each time a new Nvidia driver comes out, he's always saying along the lines of 'it's fixed a few problems for me'-priceless, and makes me chuckle every time.


Not a bash at Nvidia, simply pointing out the grass isn't always greener despite what some would have you believe-either way.

 

[Spenty]

There's a user here who had that point of view too, he swapped to Nvidia and despite saying that it's all good with no problems and better release support, in a lot of posts, each time a new Nvidia driver comes out, he's always saying along the lines of 'it's fixed a few problems for me'-priceless, and makes me chuckle every time.

Well that is rather funny, some people forget what they've posted previously.

 

[humbug]

Fine for you yes? Explain how you know they're fine for everyone else. I like how you've started using the word conjecture since spoffle used it in the other thread. Really makes me think how intelligent you are

30th Sep 2012, 00:47 #91
spoffle
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Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,023
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Yes but you miss the point entirely that a lot of people simply dont buy their parts based on performance figures alone. Some people actually want higher quality parts inside their PCs.
It's irrelevant, you're forcing your preferences in to the situation.

In simple terms, the most fair comparison is cheapest to cheapest and stop with the conjecture.

You lost the plot, using your friend preferring Nvidia cards to try and hammer home your point is what i'm talking about.

On the point you made there it's you who stated.

My point was with nvidia you're more likely to get what you've paid for from the start rather than waiting for drivers.

You need to justify that, it's a baseless blanket statement.

 

[tommybhoy]

Peace out guys, no need to make it personal, it's only opinion at the end of the day.

 

[Spenty]

You lost the plot, using your friend preferring Nvidia cards to try and hammer home your point is what i'm talking about.

He doesn't prefer either brand my point was the 660ti ran better for him in BF3. I'm off to bed I'll just leave you with this video which is much better than any benchmark graph, difference is as high as 10fps in some areas:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/battlefield-3-1080p-max-settings-radeon-hd-7870-vs-gtx-660-ti-video

Night night.

 

[humbug]

He doesn't prefer either brand my point was the 660ti ran better for him in BF3. I'm off to bed I'll just leave you with this video which is much better than any benchmark graph, difference is as high as 10fps in some areas:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/battlefield-3-1080p-max-settings-radeon-hd-7870-vs-gtx-660-ti-video

Night night.

No Driver, settings or overclock details, it's meaningless

Having said that i know a GTX 660ti is a little faster in BF3 than a 7870, the GTX 660ti is more expensive, so what?

But not vs a 7950, overclock vs overclocked the 7950 is faster, it's as fast as an overclocked GTX 670.

 

[Spenty]

No Driver, settings or overclock details, it's meaningless

Having said that i know a GTX 660ti is a little faster in BF3 than a 7870, the GTX 660ti is more expensive, so what?

But not vs a 7950, overclock vs overclocked the 7950 is faster, it's as fast as an overclocked GTX 670.

No overclock both stock, published 9th september so 12.8 driver and whatever the latest nvidia was and 660ti's overclock to 670 performance as well.

Goodnight god bless.

See this page for proof they used 12.8 http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-radeon-hd-7870-review just search 12.8. Also shows both were ran stock.

The OP didn't mention a 7950 he asked for views on 660ti compared to his 7870.

 

[humbug]

No overclock both stock, published 9th september so 12.8 driver and whatever the latest nvidia was and 660ti's overclock to 670 performance as well.

Goodnight god bless.

No argument from me.

Sleep well

 

[tommybhoy]

Video is rubbish, there is about 5 seconds of actual gameplay in it, doesn't show you much at all besides, I'd get a 7870 and SSD, for the same money as a 660ti and take my chances with clocking it.

If it's a crap clocker then I'd be happy in the knowledge that I got an SSD to make up for it.

 

[Spenty]

Video is rubbish, there is about 5 seconds of actual gameplay in it, doesn't show you much at all besides, I'd get a 7870 and SSD, for the same money as a 660ti and take my chances with clocking it.

If it's a crap clocker then I'd be happy in the knowledge that I got an SSD to make up for it.

Clutching at straws now. The OP already has an SSD and makes no reference to wanting another or a new one. This thread is about helping the OP make his decision. Not what you'd do.

I'd rather help by using video benchmarks and a personal opinion from a friend whose done the exact same switch than come in the thread and post a graph like humbug did.

 

[humbug]

Video is rubbish, there is about 5 seconds of actual gameplay in it, doesn't show you much at all besides, I'd get a 7870 and SSD, for the same money as a 660ti and take my chances with clocking it.

If it's a crap clocker then I'd be happy in the knowledge that I got an SSD to make up for it.

Online on 64 player maps the 7870 running at my speeds runs an Avg of 60 FPS.

On all maps from big to small the minimum FPS i drop to are 40 FPS and my highest are 100 FPS. all at Ultra preset

Whatever map i am on, where ever i am the gameplay is smooth.

If i set AA down one notch to 2x my FPS are almost always running over 60 FPS.

It's completely adequate for BF3 at the highest 1080P level, for £210 currently.

Can't be fairer than that

 

[tommybhoy]

Clutching at straws now. The OP already has an SSD and makes no reference to wanting another or a new one. This thread is about helping the OP make his decision. Not what you'd do.

I'd rather help by using video benchmarks and a personal opinion from a friend whose done the exact same switch than come in the thread and post a graph like humbug did.

I'm not clutching at straws.

All I've said is the 660ti is way overpriced and better performance can be had for less-7950's available cheaper than 660ti's, that on the whole will be faster than a 660ti.

I haven't posted any performance figures in the thread, I simply stated that your video posted shows hardly any gameplay, it's mostly scripted, and it doesn't show much gameplay that's all.

If you check the specs in my video post, you will see I have 2 SSD's, one for the boot drive and one for games, you are cutting out performance bottlenecks and it is the way to go now that SSD's are so cheap.

Online on 64 player maps the 7870 running at my speeds runs an Avg of 60 FPS.

On all maps from big to small the minimum FPS i drop to are 40 FPS and my highest are 100 FPS. all at Ultra preset

Whatever map i am on, where ever i am the gameplay is smooth.

If i set AA down one notch to 2x my FPS are almost always running over 60 FPS.

It's completely adequate for BF3 at the highest 1080P level, for £210 currently.

Can't be fairer than that

Everything from a 5870 upwards is adequate with 2XAA in BF3@1080p, add in an injector and it gets even better, I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference in most cards@1080p without an fps counter.

 

[Spenty]

I'm not clutching at straws.

All I've said is the 660ti is way overpriced and better performance can be had for less-7950's available cheaper than 660ti's, that on the whole will be faster than a 660ti.

I haven't posted any performance figures in the thread, I simply stated that your video posted shows hardly any gameplay, it's mostly scripted, and it doesn't show much gameplay that's all.

If you check the specs in my video post, you will see I have 2 SSD's, one for the boot drive and one for games, you are cutting out performance bottlenecks and it is the way to go now that SSD's are so cheap.

Everything from a 5870 upwards is adequate with 2XAA in BF3@1080p, add in an injector and it gets even better, I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference in most cards@1080p without an fps counter.

That video is a hell of a lot better than random benchmarks where scores are skewed by different stuff happening on each one. It's scripted for a reason so it's fair.

You clearly haven't used a 5870 with 2xAA in BF3. On 64 player multiplayer it simply won't cope well. My 6950 used to drop into high 30's without AA in some big battles online.

 

[tommybhoy]

The video is garbage when it comes to portraying what runs better imo as it shows about 5 secs of actual gameplay, it's not any better than cherry picked graphs.

I have used(all oc'ed) 5870, 6950>70, 6950>70 CrossFire, 7870, 7950 and 7970 in BF3.

If you think 660ti>7950 while costing more, then that's your prerogative, but I'm just letting the op know a different point of view what can be had for similar moneys.

 

[Rik1254]

Ladies please, thanks for your input, but don't turn this into another amd vs nvidia fan battle.
I know the 7950 is a better card, but id want something like the msi pe version, not just the cheapest. I have considered a 7950 in terms of price and performance, but if I spend almost £300 it would be more beneficial to just buy a 7970.

I am open to suggestion though, I will probably end up going for the 7950, just want to see if anyone has experience with the 660ti compared to a 6950>70 or a 7870.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Ladies please, thanks for your input, but don't turn this into another amd vs nvidia fan battle.
I know the 7950 is a better card, but id want something like the msi pe version, not just the cheapest. I have considered a 7950 in terms of price and performance, but if I spend almost £300 it would be more beneficial to just buy a 7970.

I am open to suggestion though, I will probably end up going for the 7950, just want to see if anyone has experience with the 660ti compared to a 6950>70 or a 7870.

The MSI HD7950 Twin Frozr is £240 ATM:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-148-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1673