Back-to-work scheme ruled lawful by High Court

maybe for someone who's never worked at all but for someone with a few years work exp its rather pointless.

and honestly how is being forced to be free labor a strong reference of anything, as it doesn't show any sort of get up and go, all it shows is you have been made to go there or lose what benefits you get. not exactly a good selling point.
 
GAC said:
maybe for someone who's never worked at all but for someone with a few years work exp its rather pointless.

and honestly how is being forced to be free labor a strong reference of anything, as it doesn't show any sort of get up and go, all it shows is you have been made to go there or lose what benefits you get. not exactly a good selling point.
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The only winners in this are the companies that are getting the hyper cheap labour. It's just gross.
 
There's hundreds of thousands of people who have the experience and would happily do these jobs (many already in the jobs but cut down to part time hours) but the company's are taking free staff instead

I'd love to know who's great idea it was and how big a back hander the government is getting

Experience for those who want it is good but these people aren't getting an expereince they are getting exploited
 
As an example look on any major supermarkets careers page and see how little full time jobs there are

Yet suddenly if your willing to work for free they have plenty of work for you to do for 40 hours a week
 
"andy" said:
There's hundreds of thousands of people who have the experience and would happily do these jobs (many already in the jobs but cut down to part time hours) but the company's are taking free staff instead

I'd love to know who's great idea it was and how big a back hander the government is getting

Experience for those who want it is good but these people aren't getting an expereince they are getting exploited
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On the contrary, they have to employ staff to supervise the rookies who will be only there for the short term.

New employees tend to be costly in the first few weeks until they learn the ropes and start being able to function under their own initiative as they usually need more supervision.

Tesco are looking to create 20000 jobs over the next 12 months which contradicts what you said.
 
"andy" said:
As an example look on any major supermarkets careers page and see how little full time jobs there are

Yet suddenly if your willing to work for free they have plenty of work for you to do for 40 hours a week
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Absolutely, coucil are ******* for it too, plenty of work for free but never got any paid work.
 
Not too sure what's worse here...so called benefit scroungers or scrounging greedy bosses looking for free labour. How much supervision does a rookie need to put a few tins on the shelf? STOP exploiting these people.
 
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lowrider007 said:
"Those who oppose this process are actually opposed to hard work and they are harming the life chances of unemployed young people who are trying to get on," a DWP spokesperson said.

What a ridiculous statement, no, people are opposed to working for less than minimum wage in a dead end temporary job with very little chance of full time employment gained through such a work scheme.
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Well maybe they should get off their backsides and go get a minimum wage job then instead of moaning about it - its not exactly hard to do in pretty much any town/city in the UK.

If you're going to rely on handouts from society for a long period of time then perhaps you should start being made to do some work.

Yeah there might well be more unemployed people than vacancies but its a fluid situation - there are a high turnover of people in many areas, its not that difficult to pick up 'a job' if you just put a bit of effort into it. There will always be a certain % of people unemployed - the economy needs a certain % to be unemployed else the cost of labour becomes more expensive and/or its harder to fill vacancies - what we don't need is people being unemployed for long periods of time, people who will never work - these are the people who this scheme should be targeting - giving them a kick up the backside and forcing them to do something in return for sponging off the rest of us.
 
kitch9 said:
http://www.peterhandley.com/2012/02/stacking-shelves-aint-easy/

Just so you know what's involved with shelf stacking , and it will need supervision, risk management and training.

Not cheap.
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iv worked in retail for about a decade and iv got to say your talking utter rubbish as far as training and risk management.

stacking shelves isnt hard.

as for that blog you posted, does come across as if he was working the most demanding jobs in the world, when it was a supervisory role (at least in co-op) where he'd have to follow a few rules as far as stock levels.

honestly stack shelves isnt brain surgery and needs minimum supervision because all they have to do is stack items neatly and in the correct place, if you think you need to watch people do it your even more confused as to what's involved than the idiots in gob who think poundland is a good place to get retail experience.
 
The problem is, The folks working at the DWP are having to place people on this scheme. The ***** who know the system and have been on JSA for god knows how long know how to play the system and dodge things like this, It's the people who are newly out of work who have no clue who are ending up on it. They should be getting the help to get back out there and "Strike while the iron is hot" as it were, This doesn't happen. It's a idiotic scheme that isn't being used as it's purposed. Hell half the people who are on benefits don't even sit on JSA they know the game and get more being on the sick so won't be targeted by this scheme.
 
ZG002 said:
The problem is, The folks working at the DWP are having to place people on this scheme. The ***** who know the system and have been on JSA for god knows how long know how to play the system and dodge things like this, It's the people who are newly out of work who have no clue who are ending up on it. They should be getting the help to get back out there and "Strike while the iron is hot" as it were, This doesn't happen. It's a idiotic scheme that isn't being used as it's purposed. Hell half the people who are on benefits don't even sit on JSA they know the game and get more being on the sick so won't be targeted by this scheme.
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And that attitude right there is why people on benefits are discriminated against.
 
If the government wishes to offer work experience it should be by volunteering in the third sector, not by displacing actual paid jobs which employers turn a profit on free labour.
 
kitch9 said:
They are getting paid benefits...
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at well below minimum wage, why cant they be paid minimum wage for the work they are doing. Thats why this whole scheme is basically slave labour and gives no incentive for the likes of poundland to actually employ people and get them off benefits, as they get it for free thanks to uncle tory.
 
Why not just double their JSA if they are on one of these placement. Or even just 50% extra. still a fair bit below minimum wage. But enough extra to taste the possible benefits of working.
 
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