i5 3570k or new amd trinity

Boomstick777 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:27

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I am also interested to see how well the A10 overclocks too.

It looks good for overclocking...

http://www.techpowerup.com/172897/AMD-A10-5800K-Capable-of-6.50-GHz-over-LN2-Company.html

Martini1991 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:29

Boomstick777 said:
It looks good for overclocking...

http://www.techpowerup.com/172897/AMD-A10-5800K-Capable-of-6.50-GHz-over-LN2-Company.html

I'm not sure how you can extrapolate good for overclocking of a rather mediocre L2N clock.

That said, they're going to be around what we're used to today at overclocking from the looks of it.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:30

Martini1991 said:
I'm not being defensive, you said ;
LOL,at this thread. People are debating the performance of CPU which is being released in the next few days,probably tomorrow

I was giving reason for why there's no LOL about it.

Yes,you are being very defensive as you seem to be attacking anyone which does not re-iterate 100% what you said.

I have a Core i3 2100,so could easily go on harping about how it might be better than a A10,etc.

However,I have no real solid evidence to know how well it does in games compared to a Core i3,let alone how easy it is to overclock,how much the motherboards cost,how much cooling it needs,etc??

The only objective way,is to wait for reviews and for stores to stock the platform.

Then the OP can make the decision based on loads of reviews. Thats it.

Martini1991 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:31

So, I'm being defensive, but attacking people?

I wasn't being defensive or attacking, merely pointing out that it's not LOL worthy, especially when there's quite a decent amount of preview CPU and IGP results out.
Bearing in mind, as you pointed out in your first post here, you've said the i5 will best the Trinity in CPU side performance.

So, you're both inconsistent, and calling people out on something that is perfectly reasonable, and something you speculated on yourself?

lovelyhead · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:33

Martini1991 said:
I'd be spending less than 200 and having an i5 3570 and board, not 250 quid.

Where can you buy that from? I would forget about the AMD CPU if I could pick the i5 up for less than £200.

Boomstick777 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:33

Not sure why you doth protest at every post Martini..

Just to keep you happy, this link > http://www.criminalcafe.com/showthr...00k-confirmado-5.1GHz-no-air-e-7.3GHz-no-LN2& < Shows early benchers have reached up to 5.1Ghz on air..

This also would suggest it's a good lil clocker... No doubt you'll have some negative comment to make again

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Boomstick777 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:33

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
you seem to be attacking anyone which does not re-iterate 100% what you said.

He does that a lot

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lovelyhead · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:34

Martini1991 said:
But you can clearly state without a shadow of a doubt it isn't going to have i5 performance at stock as it stands out of the box, it just isn't going to happen.

Yes but if you can overclock it to reach stock 2500K speeds for substantially cheaper then surely it is a bargain?

Martini1991 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:34

I wasn't being negative, what I said was perfectly reasonable.
I have no doubts it'll be a decent clocker.

lovelyhead · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:35

Boomstick777 said:
Wishful thinking the A10 5800K comparing to the 2500K .

Why not? The reviews aren't in and that is what AMD seem to be comparing it to.

Martini1991 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:36

Boomstick777 said:
He does that a lot .

I really don't.
I just hate inconsistent hypocritical crap.

Boomstick777 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:38

Martini1991 said:
I really don't.
I just hate inconsistent hypocritical crap.

Wow, you having a bad day or something mate? Why so hostile?

Boomstick777 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:39

lovelyhead said:
Why not? The reviews aren't in and that is what AMD seem to be comparing it to.

Obviously AMD will say it's great, they said that about Bulldozer, remember how that turned out?

Martini1991 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:39

That wasn't hostile.
Doing something and to then call someone out on it is hypocritical inconsistent crap.

lovelyhead · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:40

Martini1991 said:
I really don't.
I just hate inconsistent hypocritical crap.

Who is being hypocritical?

You seem to be arguing that the 2500K will be superior to the 5800K. This is probably correct. But if the 5800K can match stock 2500K performance after being overclocked then this is going to be a very good CPU for the price.

After all don't lots of people buy GPU's that are slightly down the range and overclock them to beat higher priced GPU's. Same thing with this.

Boomstick777 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:40

Martini1991 said:
That wasn't hostile.

Ok, cos for a minute there it looked like your getting agro and a bit personal over a chip that most of us won't be buying anyway

lovelyhead · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:41

Boomstick777 said:
Obviously AMD will say it's great, they said that about Bulldozer, remember how that turned out?

Yeah that wasn't so good.

Hopefully they will be true to their word this time as I would rather not spend an extra £100 on a CPU and motherboard if I can avoid it.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:42

Martini1991 said:
So, you're both inconsistent, and calling people out on something that is perfectly reasonable, and something you speculated on yourself?

Even more defensiveness. Your the one instantly saying a Core i3 will be better or a Pentium,so you seem to be speculating more than anyone else.

As I mentioned in the first reply in this thread,I told the OP to wait for the reviews,so they make an informed decision.

You have not said that once.

Martini1991 · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:45

There's previews of their performance.
And a G620 won't bottleneck a 7750, a 7750 > Trinity's IGP (We have performance figures of the IGP, it's less than a GT640)
Pricing won't be cheaper than current Llano, so you're looking at a little bit more, but gaming performance will be better.

If Trinity comes out at say 60 quid for the A10, do you really think I'd say get a G620? No, not a chance in hell, but it won't.

Apply some logic and common sense you can make a logical assumption which will likely be fact.

For the i3 3220? If an i3 2120 can relieve the bottleneck of a 7950 compared to a Phenom II X4, you can bet the i3 3220 won't bottleneck a GT670 much if at all.

I'm being defensive now Cat, because from my point of view, you're attacking me/questioning my stance, so I'm explaining.

EDIT : It's upto him to look at reviews when they come, not for me to tell him to, he shouldn't buy on my word, or anyone else's word, especially when we're speculating based on what's there now.

lovelyhead said:
Who is being hypocritical?

You seem to be arguing that the 2500K will be superior to the 5800K. This is probably correct. But if the 5800K can match stock 2500K performance after being overclocked then this is going to be a very good CPU for the price.

After all don't lots of people buy GPU's that are slightly down the range and overclock them to beat higher priced GPU's. Same thing with this.

You're missing the point entirely though.

If it turns out a 5800k OC'ed can match/best a stock i5, what about when the stock i5 isn't enough anymore? You'll need to upgrade, the stock i5 can clock 40%, ergo lasting longer, thus better value.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 1 Oct 2012 at 15:52

Martini1991 said:
There's previews of their performance.
And a G620 won't bottleneck a 7750, a 7750 > Trinity's IGP.
Pricing won't be cheaper than current Llano, so you're looking at a little bit more, but gaming performance will be better.

If Trinity comes out at say 60 quid for the A10, do you really think I'd say get a G620? No, not a chance in hell, but it won't.

Apply some logic and common sense you can make a logical assumption which will likely be fact.

I am trying to be objective as I can as when the reviews are out,there will be dozens of reviews and loads of data points. It also balances out the over-favourable and over-pessimistic reviews out too.

I never would buy a CPU or graphics card until official reviews are out.

It is a very simple process:
1.)Wait for AMD A10 reviews this week
2.)Read A10 reviews
3.)See stock and overclocked performance in reviews
4.)See cost of basic platform
5.)See the extra cost of overclocking the CPU
6.)Determine if the Intel equivalents,ie, Core i3 and Core i5 make more sense
7.)Buy CPU and motherboard

Martini1991 said:
If it turns out a 5800k OC'ed can match/best a stock i5, what about when the stock i5 isn't enough anymore? You'll need to upgrade, the stock i5 can clock 40%, ergo lasting longer, thus better value.

OTH,what if he could only afford an HD6850 and a Core i5 3570K?? He could probably get an A10/Core i3 for a similar budget. It really depends on the games he is playing.