BMW 123d or alternative

[TW]Fox · 2 Oct 2012 at 13:58

s0ck said:
Over 3 years though, that's 10k. It would probably be half that in a diesel-wagon.

What comparable diesel would average 53mpg required to halve his fuel bill? Certainly not the 2.2 TDCi. He would need to be looking at far smaller cars which isn't really comparable.

s0ck · 2 Oct 2012 at 13:58

Howard said:
Probably, but a) I don't care because diesels are boring and b) I'm not suggesting he buys an ST220, merely responding to Imy's post

I was just thinking aloud tbh

s0ck · 2 Oct 2012 at 14:01

[TW]Fox;22883921 said:
What comparable diesel would average 53mpg required to halve his fuel bill? Certainly not the 2.2 TDCi. He would need to be looking at far smaller cars which isn't really comparable.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201234482731352

One of those should do the trick. Or the Civic with the same lump. As above though, was just thinking aloud. I want to change myself but can't make my mind up.

Howard · 2 Oct 2012 at 14:03

You wouldn't get 53MPG out of one of those on my commute. 30-35 max, where I average 24-25. I can get 35-37MPG on long journeys too. So yes I could save fuel costs but I know which car I'll be enjoying more.

[TW]Fox · 2 Oct 2012 at 14:13

s0ck said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201234482731352

One of those should do the trick. Or the Civic with the same lump. As above though, was just thinking aloud. I want to change myself but can't make my mind up.

Lol no way will that do 53mpg with usage that sees only 26 from an ST220.

Tinders · 2 Oct 2012 at 14:26

The Honda's arent particularly economical at all, round town the accord will be 38ish mpg, and it will lunch the DPF for start stop journeys

panthro · 2 Oct 2012 at 14:27

s0ck said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201234482731352

One of those should do the trick. Or the Civic with the same lump. As above though, was just thinking aloud. I want to change myself but can't make my mind up.

My Civic has the same engine and I get ~48mpg on a commuting tank (an equal mix of A roads and motorways but a fair amount of stop start traffic). However I drive carefully to get that. If I'm on a long motorway run and set the cruise to 65mph I will get 51mpg on a tank....but I dont like driving at 65mph

EDIT - no my Civic doesnt have the same engine, its the older version without a DPF but thankfully the late 2007 models had the clutch and flywheel issue resolved by then. They introduced DPF's with the DTEC engine.

rodenal · 2 Oct 2012 at 14:30

Further to the above of late my civic has been getting 40-44 from my mixed commute (been quite a bit of traffic lately and I don't really do economical) so 50+mpg from an accord with a heavier body to lug round is dreamland (plus dpf on the accord etc).

Having read the read i'll be in a minority but I personally really like the way the 123d drives. It seems a massive amount of money to spend on a 1 series (only to get diesel) and i'd be reluctant to touch one without warranty but I can see why the OP likes them.

rossk26 · 2 Oct 2012 at 14:51

[TW]Fox;22883898 said:
Even the most frugal of drivers would struggle to get 55mpg as a day to day average. Every 4 pot 1 series I have driven has been hugely far out from the quoted figures.

I agree on this.

After having driven my brothers 1.6 diesel BMW, I think I was lucky to average just over 50 on a run from Newcastle to Norwich and back. Most of the miles were done on motorway too.

Over his ownership in the last 2 years, he has covered ~50k miles and has an average of 46mpg

I highly doubt the 123d will get 55mpg...

paradigm · 2 Oct 2012 at 14:55

rossk26 said:
my brothers 1.6 diesel BMW

is this an actual 1.6 (eg 1-series 116d efficientdynamics), or do you mean 2.0, badged up as x16d?

rossk26 · 2 Oct 2012 at 14:57

paradigm said:
A 1.6 diesel?

You mean 2.0, yes?

It's the 2.0 engine, but de-tuned and branded as 1.6 I believe...

Imy · 2 Oct 2012 at 15:02

Howard said:
I did roughly 15k last year and it cost roughly £3.2k. These are figures from Fuelly so I may have missed out one or two fuel-ups but I'm pretty religious with inputting them. My long term average MPG is 26.5. I'm certainly nowhere near the point at which I am considering buying a diesel.

That's very good going - is that mainly driving around 60-80? I use an app on my phone to track fill-ups and my long term average in the ST220 is 21.39mpg and I fill up with Momentum 99 whenever I can.

[TW]Fox;22884048 said:
Lol no way will that do 53mpg with usage that sees only 26 from an ST220.

Bear in mind that 26mpg is only 1mpg less than than the official combined figure for the ST220 so it's got to be driven in very ideal conditions to average that I reckon.

Howard · 2 Oct 2012 at 15:06

Imy said:
That's very good going - is that mainly driving around 60-80? I use an app on my phone to track fill-ups and my long term average in the ST220 is 21.39mpg and I fill up with Momentum 99 whenever I can.

It involves quite a lot of longer motorway journeys, yes. I don't think many people do 15k+ of town driving

Imy said:
Bear in mind that 26mpg is only 1mpg less than than the official combined figure for the ST220 so it's got to be driven in very ideal conditions to average that I reckon.

He's going on my figures by the sounds of it. My commute each way is 10 miles motorway and 5 miles town driving with often fairly heavy traffic which overall averages me 24-25mpg as I said. The other longer journeys I've done over the years have netted me the 26.5MPG average which I suppose is a good indicator of real-term overall MPG for the ST220.

Imy · 2 Oct 2012 at 15:14

My commute is the other way round; about 4 miles of 70mph A-road and 9 miles of town driving.

Like you I tend to get around 26-27mpg on long motorway journeys so a diesel should manage double that for the same type of journey no?

Howard · 2 Oct 2012 at 15:17

No, I get 35-37MPG on long motorway journeys. My long term MPG of 26.5 is a result of the longer journeys pushing up my average from just commuting.

Imy · 2 Oct 2012 at 15:25

Oh.

I can get 35mpg if I really try and only while on the motorway itself. The bit of town driving at the start and end of motorway journeys, and also getting bored on the motorway itself knocks it down to 27ish for me.

sigma · 2 Oct 2012 at 15:26

What do people think of the 118i for covering at least 16k motorway miles? Probably close to 20k in total.

The small size of the car isn't a problem because it is going to be replacing a Seat Ibiza.

Howard · 2 Oct 2012 at 15:29

Imy said:
Oh.

I can get 35mpg if I really try and only while on the motorway itself. The bit of town driving at the start and end of motorway journeys, and also getting bored on the motorway itself knocks it down to 27ish for me.

I don't have to try particularly hard :confused:

Motorways are boring whether you're doing 70 or 120MPH so I tend to just sit back and relax in stress-free fuel-saving comfort.

rossk26 · 2 Oct 2012 at 15:30

sigma said:
What do people think of the 118i for covering at least 16k motorway miles? Probably close to 20k in total.

The small size of the car isn't a problem because it is going to be replacing a Seat Ibiza.

Personally I'd rather have a V6 or turbo for 16k motorway miles, as the torque is brilliant for lazy overtaking.

sigma · 2 Oct 2012 at 15:31

rossk26 said:
Personally I'd rather have a V6 or turbo for 16k motorway miles, as the torque is brilliant for lazy overtaking.

It's for a female driver, she's happy with an Ibiza 1.4 for power, so a 118i will be quite an upgrade. She wants a 'nice car'.

Also considered a Focus but the BMW is 'nicer'.