I agree. The percentages in that clip are horrifying, I should be allowed abuse any ridiculous religion as much as I want, and wanting to execute people for changing faith? Ugh it makes me sick, it seems muslims are going backwards if those figures are correct.
Just what IS it about Islam that makes them violent?
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I agree. The percentages in that clip are horrifying, I should be allowed abuse any ridiculous religion as much as I want, and wanting to execute people for changing faith? Ugh it makes me sick, it seems muslims are going backwards if those figures are correct.
Could I ask, when you say someone tried to preach hatred and radicalise normal Muslims, was the person targeting the younger members or just anyone who would listen?
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And what about Anjem Choudry and his band of Islam 4 UK merry men? The Koran doesn't contain the same 10 commandments as Christianity, the text within it definitely pardons the murder of 'guilty' people, and apostasy, sex outside marriage, and being a non Muslim are all acts of guilt according to the koran. The only people who the Koran sees as innocent are Muslims that abide to its rules, the rest are killable.
Also what about all the imams that hand out fatwas to western authors and cartoonists, and all their crazed followers that act upon these commands and want to see anyone creating blasphemous content killed, as in the case of the recent attacks on European and American cartoonists?
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It would be the younger ones since they don't know much about religion or their still learning, late teens to late 20's were the targets.
What's that got to do with what your nonsense about Islam sanctioning all non muslims to death, if that was our ideology then no non muslims would reside in any muslim country but that's not the case is it.
Before blaming others for being hateful, you should look at some of your own posts after you've had sex and can see things in a calmer light..
The Muslim population in most Islamic countries is in excess of 99%. The tiny minority of non Muslims in countries like Saudi Arabia have absolutely no rights, and apostates and open atheists are punishable by death in Afghanistan, and several other Islamic countries too.
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It would be the younger ones since they don't know much about religion or their still learning, late teens to late 20's were the targets.
Islam 4 UK are "radicals", I wont even consider them being Muslim, they are just scum.
okay, the 10 commandments are the same in the Qur'an. http://www.quran.org.uk/articles/ieb_quran_10commandments.htm on the regards to giving punishment to murders, theft ect there needs to be at least 3 witnesses to the crime, you cant just kill the fella with no credible evidence. Might I remind you everyone is equal in the eyes of the law, Muslims and non-muslims alike - that's how I was brought up and that's whats being preached at my mosque. "The rest are 'killable'"? I lol'd a little when I read that.
oh those Imams are "radicals" too, of course no Muslim likes their prophet depicted, i don't. Well that's what happens to people who know nothing about Islam, they get easily manipulated into doing violent acts that no legitimate imam would certify. The media isn't helping either, their making that small minority of "radicals" seem like a massive battalion intent of a full scale invasion lol. IMO leave the cartoonist alone, those rogue imams who try to stir things up should be locked up for a long time or sent to Islamic rehabilitation centers. I'm no scholar or have a vast knowledge about my own religion but I know whats right and whats wrong.
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Still that tiny minority flies in the face of what you said before doesn't it?
I remind you:
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Book, not books....and the Satanic Verses was even by Rushdie's own words, likely to be considered blasphemous, have you read it or any of Rushdie's books I wonder?....however that doesn't excuse the Ayatollah and his Fatwa.
Many Muslim Countries are locked into violence because of other more important reasons than who drew Mohammed, things like Freedom, Basic Human Rights, Withdrawal of US/Western Military Bases and political and social interference, and so on....even protests against such things as the portrayal of Mohammed or Quran burning are in fact steeped in anti-western politics rather than their actual religion...also Salafism/Wahabism is hardly representative of all Islam.
I havnt even read God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. I don't need to read such books as opposed to simply reading testimonies and real world evidence directly from other atheists and apostates. I never even drew any cartoons of Mohammed, yet that doesn't bar me from having an opinion which favors the cartoons over the fundamentalist outrage over them. Its really not hard to search YouTube and ex Muslim forums for testimonies of people who have experienced first hand the violence and terror of Islamic culture. I also just came across a forum for Atheists in Saudi Arabia, and the peoples opinions and testimonies on there would be simply mind opening to many of you who simply fail to see or understand any negativity towards Islam and simply believe that 99.9% of Muslims everywhere are like perfectly peaceful and tolerant liberals and that there is nothing negative or problamatic with Islam.
The video I posted earlier also shows clear evidence of the Islamic terror that is sweeping across the Middle east, yet people in the UK simply want to fully ignore these issues and pretend that all of them are just lies, or no different to what happens in other religions which is definitely false.
Salafism / Wahabism seem to be a strong problem in Saudi Arabia, and there is no doubt that a lot of mosques in the UK are importing their curriculum directly from these teachings, just like a lot of churches and christian schools have started importing creationism based curriculum from the US. These kinds of extremist teachings are being taught to children attending many faith schools in the UK, of which there is plenty of evidence from undercover reports and footage, hence giving rise to the numbers of young people with such extremist views as the figures quoted from the Wikipedia page earlier on.
The video I posted earlier also shows clear evidence of the Islamic terror that is sweeping across the Middle east, yet people in the UK simply want to fully ignore these issues and pretend that all of them are just lies, or no different to what happens in other religions which is definitely false.
Salafism / Wahabism seem to be a strong problem in Saudi Arabia, and there is no doubt that a lot of mosques in the UK are importing their curriculum directly from these teachings, just like a lot of churches and christian schools have started importing creationism based curriculum from the US. These kinds of extremist teachings are being taught to children attending many faith schools in the UK, of which there is plenty of evidence from undercover reports and footage, hence giving rise to the numbers of young people with such extremist views as the figures quoted from the Wikipedia page earlier on.
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Maybe you should try reading Salman Rushdie yourself first then Bhavv....rather that telling everyone else to. 
Your problem is that you watch too much garbage on youtube and think that it is representative of reality and you might want to look again at the so called statistics from Wikipedia you posted, as they are a little contradictory, for example 61% believe homosexuality should be illegal, yet only 11% disagree with the UK stance on gay rights with 47% proud of the UK stance on gay rights...clearly they don't add up..
Also given that the vast majority of Faith Schools in the UK are either Catholic or CofE it is obvious that creationism is not something taught in very many Faith Schools at all.....as neither of those denominations have a creationist agenda and fully accept and integrate Evolution into their doctrines.
Ascribing minority issues to the majority again Bhavv....no doubt there are some crazy loons out there, however the majority of Muslims simply want to get on with their lives just like any other normal person and have no interest in being an extremist or participating in Islamic Terror as you put it....most would rather not have to put up with this incessant demonisation of them either....intolerance goes both way Bhavv.
Your problem is that you watch too much garbage on youtube and think that it is representative of reality and you might want to look again at the so called statistics from Wikipedia you posted, as they are a little contradictory, for example 61% believe homosexuality should be illegal, yet only 11% disagree with the UK stance on gay rights with 47% proud of the UK stance on gay rights...clearly they don't add up..
Also given that the vast majority of Faith Schools in the UK are either Catholic or CofE it is obvious that creationism is not something taught in very many Faith Schools at all.....as neither of those denominations have a creationist agenda and fully accept and integrate Evolution into their doctrines.
Ascribing minority issues to the majority again Bhavv....no doubt there are some crazy loons out there, however the majority of Muslims simply want to get on with their lives just like any other normal person and have no interest in being an extremist or participating in Islamic Terror as you put it....most would rather not have to put up with this incessant demonisation of them either....intolerance goes both way Bhavv.
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Saw a group of 6 or so young Muslim chaps in London at the war memorial between green park and Hyde Park yesterday dressed in camo clothing. They were swearing at cars and people whilst chanting.
Was quite intimidating for the older people there, and children too. I found it quite embarrassing that people would do this until I realised our army probably does much worse in there older generations countries.
Was quite intimidating for the older people there, and children too. I found it quite embarrassing that people would do this until I realised our army probably does much worse in there older generations countries.
