Lance Armstrong charges

I've spent most of the night reading through the full report and it has to be the most damning assassination of character and reputation I've ever read. The sheer weight of evidence makes makes it nearly impossible to believe that he was not involved in both doping and the facilitating of doping. If he had come clean, excuse the pun, like Hincapie et al. then he could have salvaged some of his repuation. It's clearly too late for that now and, professionally at least, he is absolutely destroyed.
 
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Can anyone sum up the "evidence"? I haven't had much time to look into it but all I'm hearing is what's been said previously?

I'm impartial either way so don't flame me for not taking a firm stance either way. What is the "damning" evidence from the report?
 
Can anyone sum up the "evidence"? I haven't had much time to look into it but all I'm hearing is what's been said previously?

I'm impartial either way so don't flame me for not taking a firm stance either way. What is the "damning" evidence from the report?

That "everyone" says he did it, says they saw him do it, says they did it with him, etc, etc.
 
What? Our statute of limitations only applies to civil stuff... what makes you think it'd be different in the aforementioned countries?

The attempted prosecution of Michele Ferrari in Italy failed because it took too long to come to court. They have a strict statute of limitations.

What makes you think their law is the same as ours?
 
They need to blow the lid on everyone that's implicated and still working within or maintaining some kind of professional role in cycling now. Beyond the hyperbole if we believe most of what's in the report the UCI also seems incredibly corrupt from the highest levels.
 
They need to blow the lid on everyone that's implicated and still working within or maintaining some kind of professional role in cycling now. Beyond the hyperbole if we believe most of what's in the report the UCI also seems incredibly corrupt from the highest levels.

I'm guessing they have not because it would destroy the sport?
99% of the current top riders would be out as well as all of the coaches etc?
also the loss in public interest/sponsorship etc would be catastrophic
 
A statement from George on his web site:

Statement from George Hincapie
Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

For over 30 years I have dedicated my life to cycling. I have always been determined to compete at the highest level, in one of the most physically demanding sports. With hard work and success have come great blessings from the sport I love.

Teammates have become dear friends and I have worked hard to earn the respect of my competitors. I have been associated with managers and team officials whose professionalism is unparalleled. Wonderful fans have supported my family and me since I began this great journey. For all of this and more, I am truly grateful and proud.

Because of my love for the sport, the contributions I feel I have made to it, and the amount the sport of cycling has given to me over the years, it is extremely difficult today to acknowledge that during a part of my career I used banned substances. Early in my professional career, it became clear to me that, given the widespread use of performance enhancing drugs by cyclists at the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete at the highest level without them. I deeply regret that choice and sincerely apologize to my family, teammates and fans.

Quietly, and in the way I know best, I have been trying to rectify that decision. I have competed clean and have not used any performance enhancing drugs or processes for the past six years. Since 2006, I have been working hard within the sport of cycling to rid it of banned substances. During this time, I continued to successfully compete at the highest level of cycling while mentoring young professional riders on the right choices to make to ensure that the culture of cycling had changed.

About two years ago, I was approached by US Federal investigators, and more recently by USADA, and asked to tell of my personal experience in these matters. I would have been much more comfortable talking only about myself, but understood that I was obligated to tell the truth about everything I knew. So that is what I did.

Cycling has made remarkable gains over the past several years and can serve as a good example for other sports. Thankfully, the use of performance enhancing drugs is no longer embedded in the culture of our sport, and younger riders are not faced with the same choice we had.

I am proud to be part of the cycling community, and believe we continue to make positive changes to our sport. I applaud the extraordinary achievements of my fellow riders on and off the bike. Cycling is an incredible sport that not only requires unbelievable physical ability to ride hundreds of miles a day for many days on end; it also requires a certain type of dedication, ambition and character. I have been fortunate to compete with teammates whose commitment and talent will be hard to match. As a rider I have dedicated a large part of my career to helping those teammates succeed. As I begin the next chapter in my cycling life, I look forward to playing a significant part in developing, encouraging and helping young riders to compete and win with the best in the world.

A fan to the end - much love for Big George.
 
Why?
He hasnt broken the law as far as i am aware?

Surely he is guilty of fraud? The millions he has earned didn't appear out of thin air, he effectively stole it from them- then again anyone that believe this guy wasn't on drugs probably deserves to have their money taken off them! :p
 
I've spent most of the night reading through the full report and it has to be the most damning assassination of character and reputation I've ever read. The sheer weight of evidence makes makes it nearly impossible to believe that he was not involved in both doping and the facilitating of doping. If he had come clean, excuse the pun, like Hincapie et al. then he could have salvaged some of his repuation. It's clearly too late for that now and, professionally at least, he is absolutely destroyed.

There are ALWAYS 2 sides to ever story.
Of course the USADA have created a report to make LA look like the bad guy. This is their job. Had LA decided to defend, it would've been interesting how they would've gone about breaking down the document.

Just remember (and this applies to most things in life): there are always 2 sides to every story and you cannot make a judgement based on 1 side of the story.

Out of interest, given that he has been stripped of his titles, can anyone tell me who the newly crowned Tour De France champions are, over the course of the last 15 years or so. It is quite possible that from there may be a multiple Tour de France winner who we have heard little about (due to LA's fantastic performances).
 
Surely he is guilty of fraud? The millions he has earned didn't appear out of thin air, he effectively stole it from them- then again anyone that believe this guy wasn't on drugs probably deserves to have their money taken off them! :p

Agreed 100%.
Cycling is a professional sport riddled with performance enhancing techniques (some of them illegal). If anybody is gullible enough to believe that everybody except for those who have been caught are "clean", then they deserve to be taken for a ride.

The Tour de France in particular, is brutal. Not because of any single stage, but because you have 1 brutal stage after another, followed by another. It is unreasonable to expect an unassisted cyclist to be able to achieve the sorts of times which the leading riders achieve, in the Tour De France. I've seen stages where a rider has hit the wall. Then the following day comes back to win the stage. How is this (naturally) possible?

In any case, I'd rather they let sleeping dogs lie. If LA beat the drugs tests in his time...why drag all this nonsense up, AFTER he has finished his career? This sort of case helps nobody.

Armstrong helped attract a lot of attention to the sport of cycling. At a time when American audiences were low, his wins put cycling back on the map in the USA and brought money into the sport, which in turn helped all the teams (sponsorships). He has also done a lot of charity - more than any other cyclist in the history of the sport. It seems to me that some authorities are losing sight of the bigger picture. When prosecuting cases, you need to decide if it in the public interest to proceed with a prosecution and in this case, I don't believe it is.
 
George Hincapie mentions it in his statement that US Federal Investigators questioned him, I can't remember where I read it, but because Lance wasn't just a user but was orchestrating it as well that the Feds were looking at him from drug trafficking offences point of view.
 
Agreed 100%.
Cycling is a professional sport riddled with performance enhancing techniques (some of them illegal). If anybody is gullible enough to believe that everybody except for those who have been caught are "clean", then they deserve to be taken for a ride.

The Tour de France in particular, is brutal. Not because of any single stage, but because you have 1 brutal stage after another, followed by another. It is unreasonable to expect an unassisted cyclist to be able to achieve the sorts of times which the leading riders achieve, in the Tour De France. I've seen stages where a rider has hit the wall. Then the following day comes back to win the stage. How is this (naturally) possible?

Just historical performances in the TDF (ie LA)? Or are you saying current riders like Wiggins, Froome and Nibili dope?
 
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