4 Months Jail for 'Offensive' T-Shirt

[TW]Fox;22944135 said:
Why have only a few people noticed he was actually sentenced to 4 months because he already had a suspended sentence for another offence and not purely for wearing the T-Shirt?

If somebody in this thread - without a suspended prison sentence on them - had done it instead they would not have been jailed for 4 months.

Wearing a t-shirt isn't a punishable offence so his suspended sentence shouldn't have come into play at all surely?
 
Wearing a t-shirt isn't a punishable offence so his suspended sentence shouldn't have come into play at all surely?

It seems like crappy journalism. He was jailed for:

Thew was also sentenced to a further four months for breaching the conditions of an earlier 12-month suspended sentence for the possession of cannabis.

Given that none of us know what the terms were I don't see how we can say he didn't breach them.
 
[TW]Fox;22944135 said:
Why have only a few people noticed he was actually sentenced to 4 months because he already had a suspended sentence for another offence and not purely for wearing the T-Shirt?

If somebody in this thread - without a suspended prison sentence on them - had done it instead they would not have been jailed for 4 months.

However the Facebook guy as far as I can see was not on suspended sentence and got three months, so unless media has just missed that part (which is very possible) you certainly can get jailed for such acts and as far as I can tell, that was on his own Facebook page and not spammed on the family's Facebook pages.
 
Hmm, according to the Daily Mail (yeah):

[he] admitted a Section 4A Public Order Offence (displaying writing or other visible representation with intention of causing harassment, alarm or distress)

It'll be interesting to see if the Police are consistent with this and charge idiots like the EDL (and others) when they display their ridiculous banners when demonstrating.
 
The T-Shirt is stupid, but we're doing prison for writing something nasty on a T-Shirt?

No, we're doing prison for breaching the terms of a 12 month suspended prison sentence. You can be jailed for all manner of trivial stuff that most people would get off lightly with if you have a suspended sentence over your head - thats the point in a suspended sentence.
 
[TW]Fox;22944201 said:
No, we're doing prison for breaching the terms of a 12 month suspended prison sentence. You can be jailed for all manner of trivial stuff that most people would get off lightly with if you have a suspended sentence over your head - thats the point in a suspended sentence.

Which still falls back on doing prison for writing on a T-Shirt. So basically violence as a response to words. Wonderful.

Gilly said:
No such thing as freedom of speech in this country.

And we're less well off for it.
 
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Which still falls back on doing prison for writing on a T-Shirt.

Technically but saying it like that misses the point. It's like saying you can get jailed for walking down the road and popping into a newsagent. Technically true if you have bail/suspended sentence conditions which prohibit you from that area, but totally misleading in isolation...
 
[TW]Fox;22944238 said:
Technically but saying it like that misses the point. It's like saying you can get jailed for walking down the road and popping into a newsagent. Technically true if you have bail/suspended sentence conditions which prohibit you from that area, but totally misleading in isolation...

In this case, but how about the Facebook case with a 12 week sentence for posting comments. So you can still get jail time with no suspended sentence.
 
[TW]Fox;22944135 said:
Why have only a few people noticed he was actually sentenced to 4 months because he already had a suspended sentence for another offence and not purely for wearing the T-Shirt?

If somebody in this thread - without a suspended prison sentence on them - had done it instead they would not have been jailed for 4 months.

Maybe because that's not how the article reads?

He admitted a public order offence and was jailed for four months at Minshull Street Crown Court in Manchester.

Thew was also sentenced to a further four months for breaching the conditions of an earlier 12-month suspended sentence for the possession of cannabis.


Edit: Seems i'm late to reply to that....
 
[TW]Fox;22944135 said:
Why have only a few people noticed he was actually sentenced to 4 months because he already had a suspended sentence for another offence and not purely for wearing the T-Shirt?

I mentioned back in post 4. It's almost half of GD don't read past the OP, then bang out a message...

Not like it was post #2255 on page 27.
 
It'll be interesting to see if the Police are consistent with this and charge idiots like the EDL (and others) when they display their ridiculous banners when demonstrating.

OFC they arent consistent, I dont see anyone getting jailed over the current 'hang mark bridger' facebook page.

In this case, but how about the Facebook case with a 12 week sentence for posting comments. So you can still get jail time with no suspended sentence.

Yes this one ****es me off the most, especially so because he was posting comments on his own FB page! He wasnt trolling or causing distress to anyone else, and if the comments really were that offensive, why not simply remove them and ban his account?

I mentioned back in post 4. It's almost half of GD don't read past the OP, then bang out a message...

Not like it was post #2255 on page 27.

Yea, but what about the facebook guy that got 3 months in jail?

In this case, but how about the Facebook case with a 12 week sentence for posting comments. So you can still get jail time with no suspended sentence.

Thats not the first case that someones been jailed for comments on facebook either.
 
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[TW]Fox;22944135 said:
Why have only a few people noticed he was actually sentenced to 4 months because he already had a suspended sentence for another offence and not purely for wearing the T-Shirt?

If somebody in this thread - without a suspended prison sentence on them - had done it instead they would not have been jailed for 4 months.

He got a FURTHER 4 months for breaking his suspended sentence licence and 4 months for the public order offence.......so he was given 8 months in total on two separate charges. (Although related insofar that he breached one committing the other)


I mentioned back in post 4. It's almost half of GD don't read past the OP, then bang out a message...

Not like it was post #2255 on page 27.

Ironic.
 
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In this case, but how about the Facebook case with a 12 week sentence for posting comments. So you can still get jail time with no suspended sentence.

Different case entirely but I personally find that particular one ridiculous, though I've not really delved beneath the headlines.
 
Why is it entirely different?
Aren't they both the same public order offense and thus same punishment available?

I still think it should only be an offense if you purposely go out your way to make sure the people it affects see it.
Ie the t-shirt bloke goes to the funeral with that on, or the Facebook guy posts on the relevent people walls and/or does it so many times it becomes harassment as well.
As far a so can gather neither did that.

Does this now mean people will be arrested for Jesus is a **** t-shirt as if walking around a town is enough to constitute being arrested then surly such t-shirts warn anywhere can be offensive.

Only thing worse than a bad law, is a law that is dished out one sided.
 
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[TW]Fox;22944238 said:
Technically but saying it like that misses the point. It's like saying you can get jailed for walking down the road and popping into a newsagent. Technically true if you have bail/suspended sentence conditions which prohibit you from that area, but totally misleading in isolation...

No, you're the one totally missing the point. I get that he had a suspended sentence, and I just don't give a ****. He's going to jail for wearing a T-Shirt, and thats not right no matter what hes been upto in the past.

Even then, I'd dare say that fact his suspended sentence was for cannabis possession only makes this even more stupid.

Listen, I'm all for harrasment laws, but unless I missed something, he wasn't chasing a copper down the street with this. You don't like what someone has to say, you walk away. You're the problem and you do not belong in our Society if your reaction to something like that is to bash his brains in.
 
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Why is it entirely different?
Aren't they both the same public order offense and thus same punishment available?

I'd argue facebook is a different kettle of fish. You've got to go looking for it. It wasn't wandering around a public place with a slogan written on it's chest.


No, you're the one totally missing the point. I get that he had a suspended sentence, and I just don't give a ****. He's going to jail for wearing a T-Shirt, and thats not right no matter what he's been upto in the past.

Even there, I'd dare say that fact his suspended sentence was for cannabis possession only makes this even more stupid.

It's not the t-shirt. It what was written on it. :rolleyes:

It could have been a nice knitted turtleneck and the end result would have been the same.
 
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I'd argue facebook is a different kettle of fish. You've got to go looking for it. It wasn't wandering around a public place with a slogan written on it's chest.




It's not the t-shirt. It what was written on it. :rolleyes:

It could have been a nice knitted turtleneck and the end result would have been the same.

Being pedantic isn't a fit in replacement for wit, mate.
 
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