Toyo T1R Proxes 195-50-15 tyres £29.89 + £2.99 p+p @CamSkill

Not at all, i've owned both.

Essentially the T1R pro argument hangs on this: They allow you to slide the vehicle at a lower speed due to the tyres outright lack of grip.

I've never seen this put forward as a reason to buy a tyre before, interesting stuff.

Can I just say that this is not an argument I put forward. I've found the grip very good, Simon's description of the handling is a much better criticism - their soft sidewalls can feel nervous at times. I don't really agree with Crinkle that they are designed to be slidey - I haven't really felt that and that's certainly not something I would want from my tyre.
 
Erm, no, they are rated so highly because people with a shoestring budget, who don't know what a real tyre is, buy them and then proclaim they are equal in performance to a tyre they have never used.

The F1's on the MX5 give the car great positive feedback, just because you like going round every corner sideways doesn't mean the rest of the motoring public do, I like to corner properly, you know, carry as much speed round it as possible......

This is exactly my stance on it. I'm binning asap. When the F1's were giving way I got plenty of warning, and enjoyed holding it and feeling the limit, these rubbish things just go way to fast and way way to early.

Awful tyres.

In fact, I might even send Pro-Tyre, the place where I got them, an email telling them how shoddy they are when their staff told me they were competitive with the Eagle F1 and a viable alternative.
 
Thought I'd bump this thread as I have recently changed my rears from Toyo T1-Rs to Conti Sport Contact 3 (got a great deal on them, £185 for a pair, fitted :))

I want to be as objective as possible so I have to say, the SC3 does feel the better tyre. The rear feels a bit snappier and more precise - a result of stiffer construction I imagine, even with the front wheels still fitted with Toyos. The rear also feels a bit more compliant over bumps, but this could be subjective.

However, I was out for a quick drive earlier and although the tyres performed well, one the way back home I went around a roundabout and the DSC started flashing but also, I could actually feel the DSC pulsing the brakes and the effect on the car as it pulled it back into line. I have never ever felt such a pronounced effect from the stability system, and I go around that roundabout in the same manner every single day - it's never once caused the DSC to kick in. I wasn't pushing the car, certainly no harder than I would do usually on my way home from work.

This has unnerved me a little. I would have thought a tyre like the SC3 would have grip levels equal to or in excess of the Toyo. Could it be simply that the Continental, having a stiffer sidewall than the Toyo, is transmitting lateral movement to the suspension quicker than the T1-Rs which might have been flexing and not causing the DSC to kick in?
 
How old are they? If they aren't broken in properly yet then they won't have any grip.
Best thing to do is to turn the nanny off then it won't bother you in future.
 
Fitted on Wednesday but probably already have about 160-200 miles on them. Car is used every day.

How old are they? If they aren't broken in properly yet then they won't have any grip.
Best thing to do is to turn the nanny off then it won't bother you in future.

I do when I go out for a drive, but I had the system back on as I was just pootling home. I dont turn it off oten though; I'm frit :D
 
Good work on the tyre review just as the weather cools off. Come back when you have squared the tyres off to the suspension geometry and the mould release agent layer has gone. Ie. 500 typical miles.
 
Also, since when does a driver want a car that slides around? That could be lethal on the road.

I quite like tyres that slide but I do like them to have a really stiff sidewall. I can't think of anything worse than a soft sidewalled tyre that grips well. Yuck.
I find tyre with a soft sidewall that also slides is uncomfortable to push on with.
 
I run them on the Pooma and like them, having a soft sidewall helps as mine is on poly bushes and lowered - i find they have as much grip as anything ive tried at the same size, you dont get the top end tyres down on 15 inch wheels these days :(

I would by P zeros or F1s over them if i could but they are better than the 2nd tier conti and goodyear tyres i have found - i imagine in bigger sizes on heavier cars the softwall would be a negative.
 
Good work on the tyre review just as the weather cools off. Come back when you have squared the tyres off to the suspension geometry and the mould release agent layer has gone. Ie. 500 typical miles.

The rear tyres feel more settled now. I was still occasionally getting the DSC go off and figured it might be the fronts which weren't on the limit but they were worn. So last night I put another pair of SC3s on the front to have a full set.

I don't want to comment on grip at the moment as they are brand new, but the front feels more settled and sharper now. The Toyos had also been starting to tram line quite a lot, even quite minor bumps and joints in the road caused the wheel to feel quite nervous. The SC3s don't suffer this as much giving a more confident feel :)
 
I had this exact same thing (and posted about it) when i got my CSC3's fitted a couple of years ago. After hearing the positive reviews about them, i was bitterly disappointed after they were fitted. Even with 500 miles on them, they still sucked. But after this, they came into their own. They seem to take an awful long to scrub in, however this could be because it was this time of year when i got mine fitted, which means they didn't really get warm enough to sweat out the rubber preservative which means it took longer for them to scrub in? I dunno.
 
OH MY GOD WHY IS THIS EVEN UP FOR DEBATE ARGHHHH


Basically I like Andriod, but i GET why peopel want iPhones.
I Like my Xbox 360, and while I wouldnt get a PS3, I can understand its still a good console.

THIS however.... is something entirely different becuase T1R's are ****, FACT.
In my eyes someone who says T1R's are good is the same person that tells me that their Fiesta ST will "Blow away" my GTi-6 because its newer and generally has no idea about cars.

The same person that thinks a 3 series is a rocket ship, even if its a 318i.

THESE people are people that have no clue.
Go try a Michelin PE2 if you have small wheels or a Michelin PS3 or whatever if they are bigger, or a Uniroyal Rainsport 2 or something. Report back on how they are about 10 times better.

Obviously I could go on for years listing tyres but I just CBA.
 
THIS however.... is something entirely different becuase T1R's are ****, FACT..


WRONG, completely and utterly wrong. They are perfectly good tyres for the money provided if the soft sidewalls aren't a problem, and they work well on many cars.

If you think they are terrible tyres, then you obviously have had no experience of properly bad ones. Stick a set of "Triangle" tyres on your car and you'll soon realise that the Toyos really are pretty good.

I went from a full set of T1R's to a full set of GSD3's on my Fiat Coupe 20VT, and whilst the Goodyears were better, the difference was small - and mainly concerned with wet grip and braking and slightly better turn in.
 
T1Rs are decent mid-range... good on light cars, generally... as already mentioned many times in this thread.

They're not amazing - but for £30/corner it's impossible to buy better :p

Cracking balance of grip & fun on mk1 mx5s

Eliot... you also mention the PS3s as a good tyre - that just proves you know nothing :p
 
I'm tyre shopping for the mx-5 at the moment in fact and was looking at the T1-R - however for an extra four quid I could have Uniroyal RainExpert fitted and for a further pound I could have the Bridgestone ER300 fitted.

For £50/corner fitted and balanced I think I'll get the Bridgestone.
 
195/50/15?

Which mark mx5?

T1Rs are terrible on mk3s

Correct, it's a mk1.

Currently I have worn R888s on and they **** in this weather (as expected). The other wheels have a pair of ringrong type tyres on with bucketloads of tread (for the rear then) and the other two tyres are worn on the inside edge past illegal, so when the new tyres go on A-Line in dudley shall be working their magic on the car.
 
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