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FoxEye said:
Arguing that we should give Win8 a chance because it's new and new is good isn't going to wash here :p

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I haven't, if you want to go look at other threads, I go into details.
So you don't do anything on your computer other than game, you need have to boot it up from cold?
You will never get a tablet or smart phone and want added sync ability and things to mesh together nicely.

And that's before we start on desktop sales are falling year on year, so at least with MS direction of a shared kernal, you get full pc games on mobile devices and will add to the profanity if game developers, which otherwise would be selling to an ever decreasing market, now they are selling to a massively increasing market for minimal changes. So perhaps you should thank Ms for its direction and realse many more game developers will survive well into the future.
 
voorhees1979 said:
With win 8 having xbox live and GFWL being dead, will you not miss out on any games that will use this new live feature? For some reason I am under the impression a lot more games will use it in the future.
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Publishers won't require Win8 else they'll kill their own profits. If and when Win9 comes out, things might start to change, but nobody is going to drop support for the last-but-one OS generation :p

Ie it took until win7 for XP support to start to be dropped. Nobody was killing XP support when Vista was current. Would be suicide!
 
Glaucus said:
And that's before we start on desktop sales are falling year on year, so at least with MS direction of a shared kernal, you get full pc games on mobile devices and will add to the profanity if game developers, which otherwise would be selling to an ever decreasing market, now they are selling to a massively increasing market for minimal changes. So perhaps you should thank Ms for its direction and realse many more game developers will survive well into the future.
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And this is where you show your true colours. You think desktop PC gaming is going to die. That we'll be gaming on tablets...

But gaming on a big screen is not going anywhere. Nor are FPS and other genres where touch controls simply won't cut it. Actually we've had this argument before in the other thread.

So what do you get when you hook a tablet to a big screen and plug in a mouse+keyboard (or at least a gamepad)? Well, pretty much a desktop PC!

And if you're plugging in a large screen and controllers, why do you need a touchscreen UI again? I just don't see this "one size fits all" logic.
 
No I do not think desktop gaming is going to die at all.
So try again.
Desktop market is declining, which means less potential customers. Shared kernal means for ex a mpleas. We have allready seen the full UT3 engine can run on win8RT, even if it hasn't got all the shaders and evertpyrhing else maxed out. This in the coming years will increase the market base by literally hundreds of millions. It ensure developers can maximize on profits.

I for one will be getting rid of desktop. Why?
So I don't have to spend £1500 on two devices. Instead I can buy one £800 device and it can be a desktop, laptop or tablet, depending if I'm at my desk, on a train or in a hotel with work. Seeing as the asus transformer book is rumored to be i7 with discrete graphics it should work darn well as a games machine.
 
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Glaucus said:
No I do not think desktop gaming is going to die at all.
So try again.
Desktop market is declining, hich means less potential customers. Shared kernal means for ex a mpleas. We have allready seen the full UT3 engine can run on win8RT, even if it hasn't got all the shaders and evertpyrhing else maxed out. This in the coming years will increase the market base by literally hundreds of millions. It ensure developers can maximize on profits.
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Oh yeah, PC gamers are going to love that, aren't they.

Listen to all the complaints about "consolitus" ruining PC games (not that I necessarily always agree, however).

Now imagine multiplatform games that also have to run on phones and tablet devices... oh yeah, that's the future alright :p
 
FoxEye said:
Oh yeah, PC gamers are going to love that, aren't they.

Listen to all the complaints about "consolitus" ruining PC games (not that I necessarily always agree, however).

Now imagine multiplatform games that also have to run on phones and tablet devices... oh yeah, that's the future alright :p
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:rolleyes:
You are missing the point of the shared kernal. It pc games being run on tablets. Not tablet games running on pcs.
Just go look at the UT3 engine running on a windows8RT tablet.
 
FoxEye said:
Publishers won't require Win8 else they'll kill their own profits. If and when Win9 comes out, things might start to change, but nobody is going to drop support for the last-but-one OS generation :p

Ie it took until win7 for XP support to start to be dropped. Nobody was killing XP support when Vista was current. Would be suicide!
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Yeah actually that makes sense.
 
Glaucus said:
:rolleyes:
You are missing the point of the shared kernal. It pc games being run on tablets. Not tablet games running on pcs.
Just go look at the UT3 engine running on a windows8RT tablet.
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It wasn't PC UT3 running on a tablet, and you'd be misleading people if you said it was.

It was UT3 - in some uknown form - running on a tablet. RAGE also ran on a phone, if you remember... same game? Not even close.
 
The whole emphasis on "INASANE BOOT TIMES!1!!" is a moot point to be honest. With the price of SSDs forever going down you can grab a 60GB SSD for around £30 these days which is more than enough for an OS boot drive. Using Boot timer I got a boot time of under 10 seconds. Let's say Windows 8 doubles the speed that I boot into Windows. Is that 5 seconds really going to make a difference? Nope. I'd have to reboot 12 times to save a just a single minute of my time.
 
FoxEye said:
It wasn't PC UT3 running on a tablet, and you'd be misleading people if you said it was.

It was UT3 - in some uknown form - running on a tablet. RAGE also ran on a phone, if you remember... same game? Not even close.
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Perhaps you should get a clue on what you are talking about and then come back,

All erosions of windows8. Share the same basic kernal, you nee d very small changes between them. And yes it was the full pc engine.

http://www.dailytech.com/Windows+RT...on+of+Unreal+Engine+3+Demo++/article25553.htm
 
Moothead2 said:
The whole emphasis on "INASANE BOOT TIMES!1!!" is a moot point to be honest. With the price of SSDs forever going down you can grab a 60GB SSD for around £30 these days which is more than enough for an OS boot drive. Using Boot timer I got a boot time of under 10 seconds. Let's say Windows 8 doubles the speed that I boot into Windows. Is that 5 seconds really going to make a difference? Nope. I'd have to reboot 12 times to save a just a single minute of my time.
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Yeah have to agree with the boot times, well my PC is on 24/7 anyway but when I do turn it off or do a reboot I normally go and grab a coffee anyway.
 
Glaucus said:
Perhaps you should get a clue on what you are talking about and then come back,

All erosions of windows8. Share the same basic kernal, you nee d very small changes between them. And yes it was the full pc engine.

http://www.dailytech.com/Windows+RT...on+of+Unreal+Engine+3+Demo++/article25553.htm
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Yes, yes, you posted the link before. There are no technical details in the article at all.

How can you claim its the same when there are no details? You don't even know the resolution the engine is rendering at. Would you claim there's no difference between 1080p and 1440p? or 720p? That there's no difference in having AA and not having AA? No difference between high res textures and low res textures?

You do realise the UT3 engine has settings that can be changed? Also what about the frame rate? That Tegra demo was about 40FPS. Is that good enough for everyone?

Get a clue? What you really mean is "don't question me".
 
FoxEye said:
Yes, yes, you posted the link before. There are no technical details in the article at all.

How can you claim its the same when there are no details? You don't even know the resolution the engine is rendering at. Would you claim there's no difference between 1080p and 1440p? or 720p? That there's no difference in having AA and not having AA? No difference between high res textures and low res textures?

You do realise the UT3 engine has settings that can be changed? Also what about the frame rate? That Tegra demo was about 40FPS. Is that good enough for everyone?

Get a clue? What you really mean is "don't question me".
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No I mean get a **** clue. You question me and your found looking. The point. Is NOT that it can run at full. Settings, it can't. What it does though is use the same engine. This opens up a massive growing market to conventional game developers, who are faced with a declining desktop market.
How you. Can't see this. As. A good thing is beyond me, well it's not beyond me, you. Are clearly clueless and have an agenda.

An engine that is extremely popular and still beeping used in brand new games.
Yeah such a disadvantage to have brand new games that can be extremely easily made to run on an expanding market ffor extremely little cost.

Such a bad thing developers can become more profitable, that's going to be such a terriable issue for us gamers.
 
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Just to add, on lower settings it would look good on a smaller screen then compared to low settings on a bigger screen no? So it probs looks quite good on the size of the screen it was running on.
 
How can't you see that it'll stifle growth as developers will be using 6 year old engines to develop their games instead of using/creating newer ones improves graphics, physics etc just so they can run it on mobile devices?
 
Moothead2 said:
How can't you see that it'll stifle growth as developers will be using 6 year old engines to develop their games instead of using/creating newer ones improves graphics, physics etc just so they can run it on mobile devices?
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There will always be plenty of games. That push the boundaries to get the top dog status.

What new engine Ut3 is still the go to engine and that hasn't be held back due to tablets as they aren even released yet.
So. What's stifled devlopment in the last few years?
 
Glaucus said:
Such a bad thing developers can become more profitable, that's going to be such a terriable issue for us gamers.
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Actually I have a different angle on that.

If they're producing games I don't want to play, I couldn't give a rats arse how profitable they are. Couldn't care less about Zynga, for example.

And if they're making games for tablets, those probably aren't games which will interest me. Tablet games tend to be fun in very small doses, but they're no substitute for PC games (how the heck you'd control UT3 on a tablet is a question I don't even have to ask).

What you're trying to tell us all is that you can service very different markets with the same product. This clearly doesn't make sense.

People who play Farmville aren't the same people who play QuakeLive. People who will want to play games on tablets aren't going to be the same people who want Crysis 3 on a big screen.

So why try to make everything run on tablets in the first place?

Anyway, MS and Sony are still making XBox 720 and PS4. And I dare say they will be making a PS5 and whatever comes after.

Because I think these two markets are so different in their expectations, I can see a place for consoles to live alongside tablets and PCs.

You, on the other hand, see the future in the form of a tablet and everything else declining.
 
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