Bus driver uppercuts unruly female passenger.

Hitting anyone whilst at your work and knowing there are witnesses and probably cameras (seeing as most US buses have them) = idiot.

I have a lot of sympathy for the guy but he could and should have handled it a lot better.
 
delbuenno said:
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Dayum! He Uncle Phil'ed her off the bus.
 
dowie said:
if someone spat in my face and shoved/grabbed me (allegedly went for the neck) I'd lamp them, as would most people. The driver was sitting down, trying to drive a bus and she assaulted him - the fact she's female is irrelevant - also watch the other video, its shot closer up... won't link to it here as it contains the hood rat saying the 'n' word.
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Its difficult to give a true assesment from either video alone, but my opinion is he should have removed her from the bus, with force if needed, and beyond that point if he had a resonable need to defend himself, I wouldn't have a problem with him putting her down.

My opinion isn't because shes a woman though, its because from what I saw she barely touched him and the amount of force he used in return was disproportionate. Further to that, I don't really think answering words with violence is pretty much every acceptable.

Thats not to say I'd neccessarily have him convicted over it, nor that I don't have empathy for him, just that I think he was wrong and he cannot claim self-defence or that his actions were reasonable.

On the other hand in Dimples story, that woman was asking for it and the dude was justified.
 
She has a decent rack to be fair.

Totally deserved "a" punch in the face but maybe that one was a bit OTT.
Hopefully it'll stick the willies up some uk chavs
 
sHo0sH said:
She has a decent rack to be fair.

Totally deserved "a" punch in the face but maybe that one was a bit OTT.
Hopefully it'll stick the willies up some uk chavs
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She got up, therefore it wasn't OOT :D

What do you think would happen if she went doing what she did to muhammed Ali :D
 
Dimple said:
Did you know that people usually start recording AFTER stuff has happened.
This is why all these You Tube films NEVER show the full story.
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Thats a pretty stupid question really. I totally get there could be more to his reaction, but we don't see that. I've based what I said on what I saw, not what I think may or may not have happened before the event.

If there turns out there was more to it, I could easily be swayed, but given the crowds reaction, I'd assumed that was the only time she touched him, so I'll happily stick with what I said until proven otherwise.
 
bhavv said:
I dont think the driver was an idiot. He was severely provoked by the woman.
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The only provocation which justifies assault is self-defence. That incident was just someone losing their temper and lashing out. That's called lack of self-control. If you are going to play the "provocation" card, where do you plan to stop? If I tell you not to drop litter, are you allowed to hit me? I tell you to pick it up and swear at you, can you do so now? Assault is assault. And this case was assault.
 
Meridian said:
The only provocation which justifies assault is self-defence. That incident was just someone losing their temper and lashing out. That's called lack of self-control. If you are going to play the "provocation" card, where do you plan to stop? If I tell you not to drop litter, are you allowed to hit me? I tell you to pick it up and swear at you, can you do so now? Assault is assault. And this case was assault.
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Yes it was assault, but not without mitigating circumstances. Assaulting someone after being physically (even if you deem it not sufficient to warrant retaliation) and verbally abused, including being spat on. Do you think that someone who hits you after you tell them not to drop litter should be treated just the same? "Assault is assault", what a very narrow view.
 
I can't see in the vid any violence used on the driver first, "only" verbal abuse? If this is the case...not good for driver.

EDIT: Ok she spat on him. Hmm...dunno then. She totally deserved it but.... difficult one.
 
Bit of a thread necro but only just seen it.

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Everyone behaved appallingly tbh.
However the driver was a coward for sucker punching like that and totally over-stepped the mark, can't believe people think power punching a woman in a situation like this is acceptable :confused:
The moral limit to his actions would have been to physically man-handle her off the bus, he clearly lost his temper and by striking out like that he became even worse than the woman imho!

I've been spat at and had troubled youth threaten to 'shank':rolleyes: me over the 7 odd years I was a youth worker, with some of the logic and morals here It seems it would have been perfectly fine for me to start dropping them :rolleyes:

His a public servant and no matter how provoked he gets he should remain calm and professional, if he felt he couldn't physically remove her from the bus without issues then he should have called the police.

The only time actions like that are acceptable are if someone is genuinely in fear for their life and they are pre-emptively defending themselves!
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Not only did she assault him first she also endangered the lives of everyone on the bus. Equal rights are a two way street, the fact it was a woman should make no difference to how you judge his reaction.

He hit her once and then tried to remove her from the bus, I don't think a single punch (no matter how well it was delivered) can be called excessive given the risk she was putting everyone at.

aln said:
I'm confused how people are saying she assulted him.
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Assult is merely the attempt to commit battery under US law, which itself is defined as one person willfully touching another without their permission. So yes, she committed both assault and battery and he could claim self defence.

That's before you consider the wanton endangerment of everyone on the bus.
 
There is a better vid on reddit, where it shows more of the build up. She was putting people in danger for quite a while imo.
 
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