Scottish independence referendum deal agreed.

[cu3ed]

If anyone knows has the SNP answered any of the following questions, like.

Military wise what do they plan to do, with no RAF no rescue choppers etc, no planes, what will they use, same for Navy, infantry etc.

Also, NHS, are they going to maintain that service or change to something else.

With some of the most destitute areas and unemployment how do they plan to restore these problem areas?

Mostly..have they outlined their budget and how to pay for themselves?

 

[TheGamingGeneral]

Got stopped by a hot bird walking back from Uni along Princess street, Edinburgh.
Turned out she was from Reuters and was asking opinions of the referendum news.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/15/uk-britain-scotland-signing-idUKBRE89E0PO20121015

You ****, there I was clicking that link expecting to see a hot bird and I am confronted by Salmon and Cameron

As has been discussed, my concern is the actual ramifications of this will not be known until after a descision is taken. Just like any divorce, who gets the cars, kids, house etc is not descided until afterward, and even then the wrangling and arguing can go on for years. Scotlands cut of national debt, what happens to trident etc will take years to sort out.

Taking trident as an example, cost of relocating, where on earth (well more precisely the remaining UK) they could actually keep the subs etc, and could the SNP use the current facilities as a bargaining chip when it comes to sorting out other discrepancies.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/352178

 

[aln]

With some of the most destitute areas and unemployment how do they plan to restore these problem areas?

Interesting question. Whats the UK parliaments plans for these areas?

 

[BF-Bert]

If anyone knows has the SNP answered any of the following questions, like.

Military wise what do they plan to do, with no RAF no rescue choppers etc, no planes, what will they use, same for Navy, infantry etc.

Also, NHS, are they going to maintain that service or change to something else.

With some of the most destitute areas and unemployment how do they plan to restore these problem areas?

Mostly..have they outlined their budget and how to pay for themselves?

Why would they have no air force, navy or infantry?

 

[cu3ed]

Thats a typical SNP non answer.

 

[cu3ed]

Why would they have no air force, navy or infantry?

Did the Scottish Parliament buy and pay for all of that?

Its a genuine question, how do they go about slitting that all up?

 

[pingwing]

Ultimate post and run addition to the thread

http://newsthump.com/2012/02/08/eng...ence-calls-“ok-but-you-get-northern-ireland”/

Want independence, you have to take Northern Ireland

 

[BF-Bert]

It's not a non answer is a question regarding the logic behind your statement.

Scotland has contributed to the armed forces as part of the UK so any deal done on independence would include a share of them or would it just be the remainder of the UK taking from Scotland?

 

[cu3ed]

So they literally will just take the Scottish based regiments and "keep" them as such?

 

[BF-Bert]

So they literally will just take the Scottish based regiments and "keep" them as such?

I have no idea how it will be split, that isn't for you or me to decide, but to say they wont have any armed forces is way off the mark.

 

[cu3ed]

I didnt mean they wouldn't have anything.
But it seems odd that anything would even be talked about without some bloody obvious questions about it being asked.

 

[craptakular]

This is ridiculous, they won't vote for independence.

Why can't England have a referendum on leaving Britain too?

Why vote to be independent when we are all under the iron grip of the European Union?

Now that is tragic as my parents were sold a lie on an economic treaty, yet now we are Germany's slaves :/

 

[Strife212]

On the SNP site:

That means, on independence day, we'll no longer have a Tory government, but the Queen will be our Head of State, the pound will be our currency and you will still be watching your favourite programmes on the BBC.

It's simply a lie

 

[cu3ed]

Well thats a good one..I suppose they lose the BBC as well then?

 

[Biohazard]

Sweeping statement to be honest Biohazard. The real issue, I believe, is one enormous element of political change, the right to lower tax and this is in no way moderate reform. Tax disparity, as it has been in Rep. Ireland, is a major issue. Devo max or not this is excactly what the SNP want. Corporation tax specifically.

I was saying that you can, so I'm again unsure as to how you can take that to be a sweeping statement. Political views or tacts can normally be conveyed in a sentence or two for simplicity and they tend to stick, and rightly or wrongly this is the position the Tories find themself in. They drew a "line in the sand", "thus far an no further". Scots want change, and the Tories have yet to raise themself to that challenge.

Moderate reform for Scotland is something akin to Full Fiscal Autonomy, that is the politcal desire and has been for a long time. Independence is more radical reform.

This may vary for other electorates and nation, but Scotland would embrace FFA-DevoMax without much fuss. That makes it moderate.

I truly believe that it would just be a stepping stone to full independence...in the case of Devo Max - the rUK with an uncompetitive tax scheme could look like a lame duck OR it would force the Tories to radically rethink spending plans.

I believe that a Devo max scotland would just use the rUK as all those lovely English born and bred businesses decide to relocate theirt offices north o' the border. much simpler if we are the same country.

proverbial will hit the fan if they vote yes though.

Some argue devolution is the road to independence. In fact, it was the same Tories who are in the Better Together campaign now who were saying that back in the 90's.

Oddly they have changed their mind on that stance now...

The race to the bottom argument, can easily be turned into an argument of healthy competition.

 

[Biohazard]

I knew it was a major player but not the biggest industry, I'd expect Scotland to become even more of a single industry country then.

Renewables are an interesting prospect, however I doubt it would fetch as much as Oil for a long while yet.

Even more? As if you speak of a trend you are aware of?

It's diversifying, not converging.

Scotland economically is comparible to other nations its size, and in relative measure to larger nations such as England. This 'one trick' pony line is a few decades out of date..

 

[Biohazard]

Did the Scottish Parliament buy and pay for all of that?

Its a genuine question, how do they go about slitting that all up?

A rough split of assets along the lines of 8-9% on population would be the likely candidate.

 

[Biohazard]

On the SNP site:



It's simply a lie

Where's the lie?

 

[Biohazard]

Well thats a good one..I suppose they lose the BBC as well then?

Yes, and I would welcome it. At least then Scotland might have a hope of getting the economic and cultural benefit of its fees through native programming as opposed to subsidising productions elsewhere in the UK.

 

[Castiel]

A rough split of assets along the lines of 8-9% on population would be the likely candidate.

Across the board...a total split of all UK assets and deficits proportional to the respective population....that is ALL of the UK's current Assets and deficits, not just those not permanently or native to Scotland. The negotiation should not be on the total percentage split, but what makes up that percentage in real assets etc...The SNP wants to keep all the UK mineral assets that would fall into its remit then it can, the makeup of percentage of the total split can be adjusted elsewhere......and so on. That is an equitable solution.