Police taser innocent blind man

[Glaucus]

And tazer...don't forget the tazer.

But do you really think it's necessary to tazer blind people ?

So if your blind, you never need to be tazerd, off course I think it's nessecary to tazer blind people in certain situations,

Being blind and stroke, is totally stupid and isn't part of the story at all.
It's why did the police officer use a tazer and did they follow procedure.

The fact he was blind and had two stories is a total non story and not relevent. The fact people think it changes anything is bizarre and shows the total lack of thought process and media hype.

Would people saying a criminal that was a danger, was tapered as per the guidelines, was found to off had two strokes, would people get irate about it? No, so why are they concerned about it now. Same with being blind.

 

[OptimaLnrg]

 

[Amnesia]

So if your blind, you never need to be tazerd, off course I think it's nessecary to tazer blind people in certain situations,

Being blind and stroke, is totally stupid and isn't part of the story at all.
It's why did the police officer use a tazer and did they follow procedure.

The fact he was blind and had two stories is a total non story and not relevent. The fact people think it changes anything is bizarre and shows the total lack of thought process and media hype.

He was blind so far less of a threat than the average guy, he was old which is another reason he is less of a threat. Now if you think the police need tasers to arrest this old blind and unarmed man then there is either something wrong with your way of thinking or the force as a whole has become incompetent.

 

[Glaucus]

He was blind so far less of a threat than the average guy, he was old which is another reason he is less of a threat. Now if you think the police need tasers to arrest this old blind and unarmed man then there is either something wrong with your way of thinking or the force as a whole has become incompetent.

Less of a threat does not mean no threat. There are plenty of situations where you might need to tazer such a person.
I haven't said this amn in particular.

But if you think any blind person or old person should never be tazer it is you who are crazy.

Being blind or old or both, is not a reason for a no tazering policy.

 

[Amnesia]

Less of a threat does not mean no threat. There are plenty of situations where you might need to tazer such a person.
I haven't said this amn in particular.

But if you think any blind person or old person should never be tazer it is you who are crazy.

Being blind or old or both, is not a reason for a no tazering policy.

You said him being blind should have nothing to do with if he gets tasered or not. I do because it makes him far less of a threat to a police officer. Multiple police officers should be able to deal with a blind old non-violent unarmed man without resorting to tasers.
I guess we just have different expectations from the police.

 

[Deific]

Tbh I feel more at threat and in danger around police day-to-day, than I do around any group of hoodies or drunk pub-goers.

Also, if every officer were to be armed with a taser, I would be more likely to purchase myself protective clothing at that point, than I've ever considered necessary to protect myself against street criminals/thugs.

 

[Glaucus]

You said him being blind should have nothing to do with if he gets tasered or not. I do because it makes him far less of a threat to a police officer. Multiple police officers should be able to deal with a blind old non-violent unarmed man.
I guess we just have different expectations from the police.

It doesn't, being blind does not exclude you from being tapered, not does being old and neither does having strokes.

What is important is the situation, not their blindness.

And no it has nothing to do with expectations.

 

[Skidder]

Tbh I feel more at threat and in danger around police day-to-day, than I do around any group of hoodies or drunk pub-goers.

Also, if every officer were to be armed with a taser, I would be more likely to purchase myself protective clothing at that point, than I've ever considered necessary to protect myself against street criminals/thugs.

Really? If you aren't doing anything wrong what have you got to fear (barring the very rare mistakes, but you don't plan to win the lottery do you?). Sounds a bit nutty.

 

[Deific]

Really? If you aren't doing anything wrong what have you got to fear (barring the very rare mistakes, but you don't plan to win the lottery do you?). Sounds a bit nutty.

Not true in the slightest. I've already been on the receiving end when I was jumped and assaulted by two officers who didn't state what they wanted, didn't state I was under arrest and refused to tell me why they were assaulting me. They then fabricated 2 assault charges on my part, against them.

The case was dropped by CPS after I withheld whether I was going to be seeking legal action against them.

 

[Preto]

The victim has been very lucky not to have died. The 3rd stroke, 9 out of 10 cases, is lethal.
I have great respect for the Police, any contact I had with them so far has been great, very polite and generally nice. In this case tho, there's ABSOLUTELY NO justification for what the officer did. NONE. You cannot mistake a white blind stick for a samurai sword unless you're... I don't know...retarded ?!
Burnsy, my respect for the job you're doing but in the case, you just cannot find an excuse, there were soooo many split seconds available, you could probably fill a few minutes.
And to think I was/am in favor of arming all the police with guns....

 

[Amnesia]

It doesn't, being blind does not exclude you from being tapered, not does being old and neither does having strokes.

What is important is the situation, not their blindness.

And no it has nothing to do with expectations.

Not exclude, you said it should have nothing to do with it, as in shouldn't be taken into consideration.
So if someone is screaming and shouting then the police shouldn't care that he is old and blind or take into consideration that he is little threat to them in his old fragile blind state and should taser him anyway.

 

[Glaucus]

Not exclude, you said it should have nothing to do with it, as in shouldn't be taken into consideration.
So if someone is screaming and shouting then the police shouldn't care that he is old and blind or take into consideration that he is little threat to them in his old fragile blind state and should taser him anyway.

Per say no, the fact someone say is waiving a gun around and is blind makes no difference.

What is important is does the situation call for tazer deployment and are guidelines followed.

How does an officer know he is blind? They simply don't.

So no yet again being blind does not absolve you from being tazered.

 

[Amnesia]

Per say no, the fact someone say is waiving a gun around and is blind makes no difference.

What is important is does the situation call for tazer deployment and are guidelines followed.

How does an officer know he is blind? They simply don't.

So no yet again being blind does not absolve you from being tazered.

No he waved a samurai sword in the air remember

Also how does the officer know he was blind ??? seriously you can't tell by the way they walk and use the stick to feel around that they cannot see....I guess I found the officers twin here.

 

[Glaucus]

No he waved a samurai sword in the air remember

Also how does the officer know he was blind ??? seriously you can't tell by the way they walk and use the stick to feel around that they cannot see....I guess I found the officers twin here.

I'm not talking about this case per say. So that's irrelevant.

And no you can not tell someone is blind, not that it matters being blind means nothing. Again it's the situation that matters and that has a million variables.
If the situations warrants being tazered, the fact he's blind, does not mean you don't tazer.

You also realize blind does not actually mean blind. Registerd blind people can be also be partially sighted

Twin? Stick to the debate, you look a fall saying that.
How is judging the situation and acting accordingly wrong? I certainly wouldn't go oh he's blind therefore I'll ignore nay and every threat. I haven't once said the officer was right. I jsut said the man him self and tons of people in this thread going he's blind, he had a stroke and therefore shouldn't be tazered are not thinking and falling for the media hysteria.

 

[Skidder]

Not true in the slightest. I've already been on the receiving end when I was jumped and assaulted by two officers who didn't state what they wanted, didn't state I was under arrest and refused to tell me why they were assaulting me. They then fabricated 2 assault charges on my part, against them.

The case was dropped by CPS after I withheld whether I was going to be seeking legal action against them.

Where were you and what were you doing?

 

[GolfNovember90]

its all well and good looking at this with hindsight now we know he was blind and that he was carrying a walking stick, but looking at this from the probable perspective of the officer

multiple reports of man armed with samurai sword, description circulated.

this chap is seen, obviously matching the description and seems to be carrying *something* long, thin and white/silver in his hand.

I wonder how many people who have replied to this thread calling the officer retarded or a moron would have made the same mistake

 

[peter_hutson]

multiple reports of man armed with samurai sword, description circulated.

The fact that there were multiple reports of a samurai sword weilding man also indicates that it was not obvious that it was just some blind bloke out for a walk. Otherwise why would multiple members of the public have made the same error as the police office. There is clearly a case to be answered here by the office that discharged the tazer, but I seriously doubt this is as clear cut as people make out.

You could look at this from a different perspective. Do you really believe a police office would discharge his tazer into a man if he thought he was blind and his "sword" was a stick? The resulting poop storm would be evident to even the stupidist of people, This might come down to incompentance or negligence, but I strongly doubt malice was at play.

 

[Doonhamer]

Debates like this rarely provide anything worthwhile. So many just see the uniform and the people in as one being, thus as soon as one officer does something wrong they cant wait to stick the boot into the whole thing.

In any organisation as large as the police their is going to be bad apples and screw ups, on the whole though I think they do a decent job.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

The fact that there were multiple reports of a samurai sword weilding man also indicates that it was not obvious that it was just some blind bloke out for a walk. Otherwise why would multiple members of the public have made the same error as the police office. There is clearly a case to be answered here by the office that discharged the tazer, but I seriously doubt this is as clear cut as people make out.

You could look at this from a different perspective. Do you really believe a police office would discharge his tazer into a man if he thought he was blind and his "sword" was a stick? The resulting poop storm would be evident to even the stupidist of people, This might come down to incompentance or negligence, but I strongly doubt malice was at play.

There was a man with a samurai sword he was arrested shortly after according to the news article, so no confusion by the public only the police officer tazering someone in the back.

 

[Amnesia]

I'm not talking about this case per say. So that's irrelevant.

And no you can not tell someone is blind, not that it matters being blind means nothing.

Twin? Stick to the debate, you look a fall saying that.
How is judging the situation and acting accordingly wrong? I certainly wouldn't go oh he's blind therefore I'll ignore nay and every threat. I haven't once said the officer was right. I jsut said the man him self and tons of people in this thread going he's blind, he had a stroke and therefore shouldn't be tazered are not thinking and falling for the media hysteria.

You can't tell the difference between a blind man with a stick and a samurai warrior and neither can that particular officer.....what did you expect me to say