Drink driving: what's the punishment?

Why? I tell you why, because the amount of people that have been killed by drivers not paying attention is shocking. You see it everyday people in traffic looking down and texting havent a clue whats going on around them.
 
I agree. I once seen a car packed with kids and the mum was driving on the phone. I can't believe she would put them in danger just to make a phone call.
 
Soulja said:
I agree. I once seen a car packed with kids and the mum was driving on the phone. I can't believe she would put them in danger just to make a phone call.
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Little things like that make you think twice, pull over and take a call or send a text, dont risk the lives of others, life if too short. I could go on all day about drivers and how many of them annoy me and break the law.

I have been wanting to apply for a traffic policeing unit for a while...
 
desires said:
Drinking noisily in the garden with loads of mates then? Nobody but he knew he was only going to park the car. This neighbour may well have been a victim of DDing in the past and decided he wasn't going to let your mate do it.
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Think he stumbled into the car, neiugbour just happened to notice him.
 
TS7 said:
What is the criteria for a reliable witness?

If for example person X has fallen out with person Y who lives opposite. Person X comes back drunk from a night at out 2am, gets dropped off by a taxi and goes inside. Person Y see's this out the window and to screw him over calls the police and claims he saw person X drive home.

Person Y is a Doctor, well known in the area.

What would happen?
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I'd imagine the attending officer would find that the accused car's engine is stone cold, and so obviously could not have just been driven. Person Y would then be in a bit of trouble.
 
Dokinator said:
Why? I tell you why, because the amount of people that have been killed by drivers not paying attention is shocking.
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Yes, not just from being on the phone or reading a text. From many things.

I think the uproar from people like yourself over phone usage is well over the top tbh.
 
Morba said:
Yes, not just from being on the phone or reading a text. From many things.

I think the uproar from people like yourself over phone usage is well over the top tbh.
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When you get runover because somone has been on the phone and not aware of whats going on around them, I will take a look and laugh...Over the top? Its people like you that are obviously using them while driving with that attitude.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Just because other things are also dangerous doesn't mean that we shouldn't target mobiles though.
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I think the general standard of driving should be targeted tbh. I see lots of worse driving by people who are not on the phone!

Dokinator said:
When you get runover because somone has been on the phone and not aware of whats going on around them, I will take a look and laugh...Over the top? Its people like you that are obviously using them while driving with that attitude.
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How very nice of you, very presumptuous also :)
 
Morba said:
I think the general standard of driving should be targeted tbh. I see lots of worse driving by people who are not on the phone!
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I agree that general standard should be improved, but I'm still not seeing any reason not to target people who drive on the phone.
 
Haggisman said:
Whilst I think DD is a scummy thing to do and people who do it should have the book thrown at them, the fact you can be done for it just for having your car keys on you when you have no intention of driving at all seems a bit OTT.
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If you're not driving it's actually a different offence called drunk in charge which does not have an automatic ban.

I know a guy who was caught parked up asleep at the wheel of his car. He got 10 points.
 
GT3 said:
The odd thing I don't get is why is insurance not massively expensive for people with DD on their licence?

My friend got banned for this, got his licence back with zero no claims as he smashed through a brick wall when he got caught and hopped straight in a 106 gti for 1200 quid a year at 25 years old, and now with a year no claims insures a Audi S3 for £1400.

While I pay £600 to insure a bloody diesel peugeot 406 with 7 years no claims, no accidents and a clean licence in the same post code.
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That is expensive :P a 106 gti would cost a few hundred quid for a typical 25 year old, not over a grand!
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I agree that general standard should be improved, but I'm still not seeing any reason not to target people who drive on the phone.
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I spend a lot of time on the road, I see many people on their phone and not driving in such a way that is dangerous. I see lot of people who are dangerous and not on the phone, for example eating while driving or shouting at their passengers.

Why target what doesn't look to be as much of a problem as people make out?
 
Morba said:
I spend a lot of time on the road, I see many people on their phone and not driving in such a way that is dangerous. I see lot of people who are dangerous and not on the phone, for example eating while driving or shouting at their passengers.

Why target what doesn't look to be as much of a problem as people make out?
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You're falling into the trap of thinking that your anecdotal evidence is representative of all accidents. Driving whilst on the phone is dangerous and does cause accidents; this much is scientifically proven (I'll even quote you studies if you really want). Not all drink drivers will crash, not all drug drivers will crash, but we know this increases the risk enormously and should therefore be targeted. Mobiles are no different.
 
Morba said:
I spend a lot of time on the road, I see many people on their phone and not driving in such a way that is dangerous. I see lot of people who are dangerous and not on the phone, for example eating while driving or shouting at their passengers.

Why target what doesn't look to be as much of a problem as people make out?
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The real questions is why are humans allowed to drive cars in the first place? Its too easy to make mistakes.

Driving tired or angry imo is far more dangerous than having a pint of beer inside of you. I say get rid of the idiots and bring in the machines, it will save a lot more lives than trying to control what people do behind the wheel.
 
GT3 said:
The odd thing I don't get is why is insurance not massively expensive for people with DD on their licence?

My friend got banned for this, got his licence back with zero no claims as he smashed through a brick wall when he got caught and hopped straight in a 106 gti for 1200 quid a year at 25 years old, and now with a year no claims insures a Audi S3 for £1400.

While I pay £600 to insure a bloody diesel peugeot 406 with 7 years no claims, no accidents and a clean licence in the same post code.
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He probably isn't telling his insurance about his conviction.
 
rexehuk said:
Oh how I've been tempted... but it would ruin their life as they drive to work etc. I'll just wait until Christmas this year and wait until he gets caught in a roadblock, we can only hope.
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They should have thought about it before they did it frequently, sounds like they do it often......

I partially agree with Morba about the mobile phones thing, over rated compared to allowing smoking in cars. Effectively you're allowed to create your own fire, whilst moving and breathe it in and also try and dispose of ash and the fire in a safe and responsible manner, all whilst driving?! I do appreciate the phones thing should make things safer overall, just think its slight double standards compared to smoking....
 
Burnsy2023 said:
You're falling into the trap of thinking that your anecdotal evidence is representative of all accidents. Driving whilst on the phone is dangerous and does cause accidents; this much is scientifically proven (I'll even quote you studies if you really want). Not all drink drivers will crash, not all drug drivers will crash, but we know this increases the risk enormously and should therefore be targeted. Mobiles are no different.
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No, I don't think my experience is reflective across all driving or drivers, I'm just giving my experience from the time I spend on the road :)

Eating while driving or anything other than just DRIVING must increase the risk, do the studies you have access to show multiple different scenarios? Also any that mentions tiredness?
 
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