I'm a bit upset because I was fooled today

Dimple said:
I went along to a Manual Handling course this morning along with 11 other people and we were split into two groups.
There were 4 items on the table and we were asked to identify the one that was 7kg, 6kg, 5kg and 4 kg.
It just so happened that the small white box was the heaviest, followed by the second smallest box, then a bowl of water and then the lightest being a large flat pack containing a weight.
I had done the 'holding my arms out straight with the weight' trick to see how long I could hold each item and all 12 people agreed the order of weight.
The answer was a shock because all 4 items were 5kg each :eek:
I even stayed behind a bit holding the lightest & heaviest and they were definitely different but the scales in the room proved me wrong.

So what is the thought/science process behind this?
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your brain is faulty - please return to the factory for a full refund.
 
cm1179 said:
yeh until you put your back out, claim sick and your employer looks at your course tutor notes that read ''seemed uninterested and distracted. don't be surprised if he puts his back out.''
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Dimple said:
Exactly and working in the Medico Legal Claims Department of a Trust I know exactly how many come in and then we go looking for the Manual Handling attendance lists.
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Like I said earlier in this thread. My training was delivered in Comic Sans. I couldn't take the presentation seriously even if I wanted to...

Now a nice Helvetica would have been OK. However slide after dry slide of this makes me very giddy. Public Sector check box ticking at its finest!
 
people seem to be reading it the wrong way round (except duff-man) but here's what I think..
you see a big item and expect it to be heavier, particularly since you've been primed to think some are heavier, so when you pick up the larger object and it's in fact far less dense than an object of that size normally would be, considering the weight of that small object you just held, it feels very light...
 
I suspect this happened at North Staffs hospital. I am having flashbacks to the conflict resolution course :( is it the same Chinese women that acts out being attacked with crutches ?
 
Regarding manual handling-

Has anyone else had to sit through a pristine condition course yet?
Apparently all the horse**** from the HSE about back straight knees bent they have telling people is the best way to pick stuff up is all rubbish.

Really?!? I am totally shocked that "just picking stuff up" has replaced "perfom a entirely unnatural motion to approach and lift an item" as the best way to "just pick stuff up"

Like its some kind of revolutionary discovery and that people actually do that crapping your pants nonsense when moving stuff anyhow.
 
atpbx said:
Regarding manual handling-

Has anyone else had to sit through a pristine condition course yet?
Apparently all the horse**** from the HSE about back straight knees bent they have telling people is the best way to pick stuff up is all rubbish.

Really?!? I am totally shocked that "just picking stuff up" has replaced "perfom a entirely unnatural motion to approach and lift an item" as the best way to "just pick stuff up"

Like its some kind of revolutionary discovery and that people actually do that crapping your pants nonsense when moving stuff anyhow.
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Please explain further.

Lifting with bent knees isn't an unnatural motion. Sitting on chairs for half our lives until our hamstrings are hips are so tight we can barely move them is what makes a perfectly natural motion feel unnatural. Look at how small children pick stuff up before their hips and hams have been shortened with years of sitting in school.
 
It proves that manual handling courses are complete ********.

Probably ok for people who carry bags of sugar for a living, but I'm I'm pretty sure they don't show you how to throw a 50 kg mattress 9 feet high onto a wagon.
 
jimbob27 said:
Please explain further.

Lifting with bent knees isn't an unnatural motion. Sitting on chairs for half our lives until our hamstrings are hips are so tight we can barely move them is what makes a perfectly natural motion feel unnatural. Look at how small children pick stuff up before their hips and hams have been shortened with years of sitting in school.
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Knees bent back straight is not a natural movement to pick something up, if you follow the HSEs old guidelines it was nothing like the natural movement to pick something up.

Just google pristine condition.
 
i-bert said:
It proves that manual handling courses are complete ********.

Probably ok for people who carry bags of sugar for a living, but I'm I'm pretty sure they don't show you how to throw a 50 kg mattress 9 feet high onto a wagon.
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Exactly, I used to deliver lamp posts, whole axles, plow blades (the 12 foot ones) washing machines etc etc, with no help and often with no trolleys either .

Delivered a washing machine to one lass, carried it up the drive , put it down by the front door and the cheeky cow asks me to carry it to the shed at the bottom of the garden.

Don't think so love.


Got asked to carry an Arga round the back of an old people's home when I delivered it as "the janitors and facilities people were not insured" , so I dragged it off the back like and it smashed through the pallet it was on and I left it there.

You know, "just somehow carry that 250kg really large awkwardly shaped item the size of a smart car round the back of this building"
 
atpbx said:
Regarding manual handling-

Has anyone else had to sit through a pristine condition course yet?
Apparently all the horse**** from the HSE about back straight knees bent they have telling people is the best way to pick stuff up is all rubbish.

Really?!? I am totally shocked that "just picking stuff up" has replaced "perfom a entirely unnatural motion to approach and lift an item" as the best way to "just pick stuff up"

Like its some kind of revolutionary discovery and that people actually do that crapping your pants nonsense when moving stuff anyhow.
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Straight back and bent knees is literally the ONLY way to deadlift heavy weights without lower back strain. If you do it with a rounded back your body will quickly tell you that your back is being damaged.
 
My heavy lifting training course was a video, with some guy going on about jam doughnuts for the majority of the time. :confused:.
 
Morbius said:
Isn't gold measured in troy weight? I feel this will have a bearing on the outcome of the question.
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Correct :)

A troy pound is lighter than a "standard" (forget the name) pound weight.

I think a ton of gold is the "short" ton (~900kg) while the ton of feathers would be a "long" ton (just over 1000kg). I'm ignoring the metric tonne, that's just to make it easy for youth and their GCSEs...
 
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Freakbro said:
No, the logical conclusion would be to use the principle definition of a measure of weight, not the more obscure definition of a measure of volume.
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This would be, however due to the stupidity of the question, and the total pointlessness of it, it is for that reason you must move onto volume. And hope that nobody older than 6 says it ever again.
 
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atpbx said:
Regarding manual handling-

Has anyone else had to sit through a pristine condition course yet?
Apparently all the horse**** from the HSE about back straight knees bent they have telling people is the best way to pick stuff up is all rubbish.

Really?!? I am totally shocked that "just picking stuff up" has replaced "perfom a entirely unnatural motion to approach and lift an item" as the best way to "just pick stuff up"

Like its some kind of revolutionary discovery and that people actually do that crapping your pants nonsense when moving stuff anyhow.
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The most amusing thing about all this is the weights they classify as "heavy".
 
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