Proposal for New Road Tax Plans

Sonea Fifer · 29 Oct 2012 at 19:01

I'm quite surprised there's not been a thread created about this already?

Source - Sky News & BBC News

Let's be clear here - if implemented it would almost certainly bring about a two tier system forcing many off the motorways and major A roads and creating so much more congestion. And the excuse for this is it's aimed at recouping the cost to the government caused by the average motorist by buying himself/herself a "greener" car thereby saving money on both fuel and tax.

I also note that they claim:

BBC News said:
The government has made clear it will not implement tolls on existing road capacity and has no plans to replace existing motoring taxes with pay-as-you-go road charging.

So, what do you guys think of this OcUK motors? Personally I've been of the opinion the the British Government is so out of touch with reality that they seem to be doing their best to financially force the average working motorist off the road while screwing them for as much money as possible along the way!

Or, is this just another "sensationalist headline" created by the media in order to draw attention?

Minstadave · 29 Oct 2012 at 19:03

Put it on fuel. It makes sense. Job done.

Duke · 29 Oct 2012 at 19:05

Minstadave said:
Put it on fuel. It makes sense. Job done.

Seems the fairest and simplest method. Someone on here worked out it would roughly add 10p a litre, but didn't take into account the saving of a bloated Gov dept being scrapped.

Mr-White · 29 Oct 2012 at 19:05

This will force people through smaller towns and villages where there's no direct route causing travelling times and fuel consumption to increase.

MW

Randomface74 · 29 Oct 2012 at 19:08

It'll never pass, don't worry about it.

Historically there was an argument for the Road tax in that it 'forced' car owners to get insurance and MOT's - now that both insurance and MOT's are directly available to the law enforcement bodies, why bother with the costs of having such a tax.
There is already enough taxation based on vehicle usage to pay for it's complete abolition.

Third Opinion · 29 Oct 2012 at 19:30

More fuel efficient and electric cars must be taking their toll on the Government coffers. Panic mode is setting in as they estimate a 50% less in fuel revenue by 2030. Just another way to claw it back.

Owners of electric cars will feel totally done over.

OpenToSuggestions · 29 Oct 2012 at 19:32

Third Opinion said:
More fuel efficient and electric cars must be taking their toll on the Government coffers. Panic mode is setting in as they estimate a 50% less in fuel revenue by 2030. Just another way to claw it back.

Owners of electric cars will feel totally done over.

Electric car owners are crazy even to have thought this would not happen.
Give it a few more years and the VED CO2 bands will all drop down - There is no way <100g/km CO2 cars will be 'tax free' in a few years time.

Bear · 29 Oct 2012 at 20:23

The first thing the government should do is to make any foreign car pay for a vignette say £30 for a car and £100 or so for a lorry. I don't see why foreign motorists should get away scott free.

ncncore · 29 Oct 2012 at 20:39

Minstadave said:
Put it on fuel. It makes sense. Job done.

Have always said this.

Tute · 29 Oct 2012 at 20:45

Third Opinion said:
More fuel efficient and electric cars must be taking their toll on the Government coffers. Panic mode is setting in as they estimate a 50% less in fuel revenue by 2030. Just another way to claw it back.

Owners of electric cars will feel totally done over.

Idiots for even thinking the government gives a crap about the environment and believing their climate change scaremongering in the first place.

It's always just been a ploy to prop up a flagging car industry.

Personally I vote it gets put on the cost of fuel. Means that the enforcement department can go, saving money, and car manufacturers start developing more fuel efficient cars, which is a win win for everyone.

Third Opinion · 29 Oct 2012 at 22:08

Minstadave said:
Put it on fuel. It makes sense. Job done.

Then the growing number of electric and alternative fuel cars still don't pay anything.

These are ideas being put forward as a Government study says the increase use of electric or alternative fuel vehicles will cause a decline of 50% in revenue gained from fuel taxation.

If you put it all on fuel it would mean petrol and diesel vehicles would be the only ones paying tax and propping up the coffers for all.

Petrol would probably have to cost about £2.50 a litre at today's rates.

Tom_ed1987 · 29 Oct 2012 at 22:19

Two-tier road tax as proposed will never happen.

Cupra · 29 Oct 2012 at 23:14

take all tax and vat off fuel then charge every car an ammount when mot'd based on miles since the previous mot.

Simples

wazza300 · 29 Oct 2012 at 23:17

isnt it added on the fuel price in the u.s? here your losing 12hours a night when your sleeping

GT3 · 29 Oct 2012 at 23:26

Cupra said:
take all tax and vat off fuel then charge every car an ammount when mot'd based on miles since the previous mot.

Simples

Imagine how many cars would get clocked then!

Draeger · 29 Oct 2012 at 23:47

Tom_ed1987 said:
Two-tier road tax as proposed will never happen.

billysielu said:
It'll never pass, don't worry about it.

Mucky_Pup · 29 Oct 2012 at 23:51

Cupra said:
take all tax and vat off fuel then charge every car an ammount when mot'd based on miles since the previous mot.

Simples

I'm for that, aqquire a bit of software, a laptop, and an OBD cable, and I'll be doing 10 miles between each MOT

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we get to the 22nd century, and the UK government is still insiting on having a tiny circle of paper displayed on the corner of your windscreen.

Bear · 30 Oct 2012 at 07:11

Cupra said:
take all tax and vat off fuel then charge every car an ammount when mot'd based on miles since the previous mot.

Simples

Absolutely stupid idea, no doubt the government will love it.

In effect it really is no different to having the tax on the fuel, you do the mileage you pay, you have a fuel guzzler you pay, that is simple. At least with tax on fuel you havent incentivised the clocking of cars as mentioned before.

SB118 · 30 Oct 2012 at 07:46

Cupra said:
take all tax and vat off fuel then charge every car an ammount when mot'd based on miles since the previous mot.

Simples

This would be great, imagine the low mileage cars that would be flooding onto the market

Freefaller · 30 Oct 2012 at 08:07

The problem is also the cost of adding all the ANPR cameras the road networks and the infrastructure behind it for the two tier system is not to be ignored.

Motorists pay through the nose already on road tax, tax on fuel and ridiculous insurance premiums.

The government touted a "green" policy, so all the car manufacturers have worked towards that; cars are more efficient, generally have smaller engines and people are driving less and less - suddenly it's "oh **** - we're not making much money from motorists, what can we do?!".

Maybe I'm a sceptic, but that's how I see it. No wonder people are driving less and less fruity cars - I used to go for a drive and spend a tank's worth of petrol, just going for a blast. I have no interest now (probably owing to the **** car I have

) however, it just makes it less appealing.