Happy Samhain to all my fellow Pagan geeks...

spoffle · 31 Oct 2012 at 15:27

estebanrey said:
Just had to look it up, pronounced 'Sowin' isn't it? I read it as "Sam Hane" in the thread title though.

The Irish really need to sort out there understanding of how the English alphabet works, they seem to have changed how almost every letter is pronounced for no apparent reason.

Reminds me of that Eoghan Quigg fella that was on X-Factor a few years ago, how does 'Eoghan' become 'Owen'?

YEP

As for "Eoghan" you had to choose just about the WORST example of Irish spellings to suit your point didn't you?

How do you pronounce "though" or "through"?

That's what I thought.

LordSplodge · 31 Oct 2012 at 15:32

RobotXander said:
Thanks Castiel. It's interesting how these traditions can evolve over time.

Probably for the best or my Druid friends would still be sacrificing people on Anglesey.

Neopaganism covers a very wide selection of beliefs. Some based on traditional pagan religions but most are more a methodology of how to live your life rather than the more traditional religions.

Gerard · 31 Oct 2012 at 15:32

estebanrey said:
Just had to look it up, pronounced 'Sowin' isn't it? I read it as "Sam Hane" in the thread title though.

The Irish really need to sort out there understanding of how the English alphabet works, they seem to have changed how almost every letter is pronounced for no apparent reason.

Reminds me of that Eoghan Quigg fella that was on X-Factor a few years ago, how does 'Eoghan' become 'Owen'?

Yeah we'll get right on that because someone on the net says so. :rolleyes:

RobotXander · 31 Oct 2012 at 15:54

LordSplodge said:
Probably for the best or my Druid friends would still be sacrificing people on Anglesey.

Neopaganism covers a very wide selection of beliefs. Some based on traditional pagan religions but most are more a methodology of how to live your life rather than the more traditional religions.

lol I thought the tradition was Animal sacrifices?

Do you think these beliefs are dying out? As already stated, I find this fascinating. Chatting to a few of the guys at work, I'm amazed at how many of them associate Paganism with Devil worship...
Was that not due to the catholic church trying to outlaw such beliefs, and in the process make them out to be satanic to scare people towards the church?

TwsT · 31 Oct 2012 at 15:54

simulatorman said:
.... and in English?

I wish I understood welsh spent 4 years listening to em still none the wiser.

spoffle · 31 Oct 2012 at 15:59

RobotXander said:
I'm amazed at how many of them associate Paganism with Devil worship...
Was that not due to the catholic church trying to outlaw such beliefs, and in the process make them out to be satanic to scare people towards the church?

As far as I know, that's correct.

That's why the classic representation of "The Devil" is of a humanoid beast man, with 2 goat legs and large horns exists as it does, because it was how a Pagan god was depicted.

It was done to make it out as if they were worshipping "The Devil".

LordSplodge · 31 Oct 2012 at 16:47

RobotXander said:
lol I thought the tradition was Animal sacrifices?

Do you think these beliefs are dying out? As already stated, I find this fascinating. Chatting to a few of the guys at work, I'm amazed at how many of them associate Paganism with Devil worship...
Was that not due to the catholic church trying to outlaw such beliefs, and in the process make them out to be satanic to scare people towards the church?

I've been called a devil worshiper before.

Anyway go read this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/paganism/ it's a good guide for people interested in Paganism.

estebanrey · 31 Oct 2012 at 17:07

malfunkshun said:
Really? You consider someone elses representation of their language to be their fault?

Well who else's fault is it?

Take pretty much any other language and if you pronounce the word how it looks you will be right 99% of the time, there are a few different rules in any language of course like double 'L' being pronounced as a 'Y' in Spanish for example but generally speaking the words are as written.

With Irish Gaelic though, the spelling seem to often be completely different to how it's pronounced. Like 'Siobhan' for example, how is that pronounced 'Chevonne'?

StriderX · 31 Oct 2012 at 17:17

Happy... uhh far more acceptable religion day!

Vix · 31 Oct 2012 at 17:44

Blessed Samhain

it's OCUKs fault I'm not doing anything as I haven't had time to even carve a pumpkin due to the Donington track day yesterday. Still, have a few things going on at the moment that need to change so will be reflecting on those later

Rich_L · 31 Oct 2012 at 18:11

LordSplodge said:
Happy Samhain to the few OCUK pagans on these forums. Has anybody got anything planned? I'm stuck in London so my usual mountain top ritual has to wait until the weekend. I truly am a heathen in a foreign city right now.

Tonight i'll be thinking of things past, been a big year ofchange for me - some good some bad, and looking forward to the new year. If you celebrate it have a good one.

The top of the Shard would be an excellent pagan ritual mountain-top substitute

StriderX · 31 Oct 2012 at 18:13

Rich_L said:
The top of the Shard would be an excellent pagan ritual mountain-top substitute

Perhaps that is why it was built.

DUN DUN DUN!

dodgem · 31 Oct 2012 at 18:30

estebanrey said:
Take pretty much any other language and if you pronounce the word how it looks you will be right 99% of the time, there are a few different rules in any language of course like double 'L' being pronounced as a 'Y' in Spanish for example but generally speaking the words are as written.

What rubbish :rolleyes:

Go try pronouncing a wee bit of Finnish for me would ya?

Perhaps the Danish word for "knife" would be easier? It's "knive" by the way, and is pronounced "ker-nee-yoo".

Just because English words are pronounced a certain way, there's no reason other languages should be pronounced the same way!

OT though....

Happy Samhain to all

I presonally don't go in much for rituals these days although I did years back.

LordSplodge · 31 Oct 2012 at 19:02

Rich_L said:
The top of the Shard would be an excellent pagan ritual mountain-top substitute

At £25 quid I'll pass!

estebanrey · 31 Oct 2012 at 19:14

dodgem said:
What rubbish

Go try pronouncing a wee bit of Finnish for me would ya?

OK, I input "Hello, how are you today?" into Google translate and it comes back as "Hei, kuinka voit tänään?" And is pronounced "hey, kuinka voit tanan" almost exactly how it's spelt.

http://translate.google.co.uk/#auto/fi/Hello, how are you today?

dodgem said:
Perhaps the Danish word for "knife" would be easier? It's "knive" by the way, and is pronounced "ker-nee-yoo".

According to Google it's pronounced 'Knew' which again isn't too far off how it's spelt, only 1 letter being pronounced differently. As I conceded in my post before all languages have the odd letter that isn't pronounced phonetically.

Not really comparable to Irish though where many words, especially names, are entirely made up of letters that don't match the pronunciation.

dodgem said:
Just because English words are pronounced a certain way, there's no reason other languages should be pronounced the same way!

Never claimed it was, and again I've already said all languages have their little nuances. But my point is a lot of Gaelic words are nothing like how they are pronounced. If Siohban was pronounced "see-o-van" or "Sheobahn" then I wouldn't be making the point, but it's pronounced 'She-vorn' which is nothing like how it's spelt. It's like they're just making it up as they go along.

Don't get me started on Welsh.

LordSplodge · 31 Oct 2012 at 19:17

estebanrey said:
OK

The Welsh language must kill you. F's that are pronounced V. Y's that a pronounced as E's. DD is TH and so on a so forth.

estebanrey · 31 Oct 2012 at 19:34

Hence my last sentence above Splodge.

dodgem · 31 Oct 2012 at 21:18

Hmm, my apologies, Finnish was a terrible example language to pick, that is one where they do actually pronounce it as it's written - hence the awkward spelling and abundance of double letters.

The Danish knive is not pronounced knew, that's just you mis-hearing what Google translate is saying. But we don't even need to go further than our own shores to argue though, tough, thought, through. That's four different pronunciations for the same 4 letter combination in English.

So to say that most languages are pronounced as they are written except for Irish is quite innaccurate. Siobhan..... dimension covers the English pronunciation of the first part, so really we're just looking at bh pronounced as v, as the major difference...

Sorry to argue in your thread LordSplodge, but heh, it is GD

craptakular · 31 Oct 2012 at 21:29

simulatorman said:
I suppose you could find an open park, light a sacred bonfire, sacrifice an animal or two and have a party with harvest food from Tesco.

Why the religious hatred? If you had just bashed Muslims I'm sure you would have been perma banned by now.

Good old racist and intolerant overclockers

estebanrey · 31 Oct 2012 at 21:46

dodgem said:
So to say that most languages are pronounced as they are written except for Irish is quite innaccurate.

But I never said most languages are pronounced as written, I said most words in other languages are pronounced as written. You get the odd letter here and there that aren't but generally not whole words that look nothing like as written like you do in Irish Gaelic.