Am I racist?

no you aren't. people calling for a black players union are discriminating and as such are racist

No, that's not true at all.

Black groups are formed because they have faced race related issues throughout history, much like support groups for homosexuals or other groups that have faced problems historically, even women in this country fought a very tough battle (and still do, as do many other groups of people) for equality.

I don't see people with different skin as being any different, the only difference (for me) is culture, people have different cultures, culture is awesome anyway. Embrace and evolve culturally is my attitude.

In regards to the Mobo's I don't pay too much attention to music awards but anyone can win a Mobo award can they not?
 
No, they just face race related issues, whilst white people don't face such pressures - it'd wouldn't be a black supremacy organisation, just one which desires parity. In the same way it's great there are organisations such as Stonewall which are there for gays/gay rights... whilst it's not ridiculous there isn't a straight person society, as straight people don't face the special pressures gays do, in the realm in which Stonewall operates.

The very problem is that gays have less rights, and are massively, massively more discriminated against than Black people, why gay people want to get married, an arbitrary and idea based in religion just because they want to be equal(I want equality, but I can't be bothered to fight for the equality to do something completely stupid, I wouldn't fight to join the KKK, nor a religious cult, nor a practice that is seen worldwide as a religious ceremony).

So we have gay rights groups to fight for gay rights, black people in the UK, have those rights already, they are now fighting for rights above and beyond that which everyone else has, that isn't equality, its simply people who have long been parts of groups fighting for equality, who got equality, and want to keep that power by generating new things to fight for.

Look at feminists, they still are genuinely treated worse in terms of pay, but not rights, but you have all these power feminists who don't want to give up the power they've had in their communities for decades, so the fight goes on well past equality to lots of stupid area's.

Black people in football are putting up with abuse, nothing more or less, like every other footballer, and manager, black or white, out there.

When exactly was the last black footballer assaulted by a fan on a pitch, I can't remember it, I'm sure it happened. The behaviour of football fans in general is pretty appaulling, there are groups of really quite awful people in most crowds and something should be done about it.

But ultimately are black footballers on the pitch being abused ONLY because they are black? Really, because EVERY footballer is abused, being black is merely a lable with which to attack them over. If every single footballer is being abused, and every single black footballer is abused at games for everything under the sun apart from being black, then is the problem abuse, or racism.

Real "racism" would be no abuse on the pitch except for abusing the black players exclusively, that would need massive instant huge intervention. Black footballers don't have to deal with abuse no one else gets, they all put up with abuse, they merely put up with different words used in SOME of that abuse, but every footballer can say the same based on their looks, be it ginger hair, being overweight, slow, lanky, short, etc, etc, etc.

So yeah, all players put up with the same pressure as black players.

If a black footballer couldn't get into a team, or was treated badly by his manager purely because of his colour, that is racism, that is something to fight, and something that really hasn't happened in English football for decades now. When Sagna is given 1/4 of the wage Jenkinson makes, or Arsenal refuse to hire black people, that is an issue.

Fan throws coin at white player, meh, when fan comes on pitch and attacks white player, meh, when someone yells the word black at a black player, its instantly massively worse.....

As with over zealous feminists, over zealous black rights groups are blurring the lines between racism and anything else to try and have a cause to fight.
 
No, that's not true at all.

Black groups are formed because they have faced race related issues throughout history, much like support groups for homosexuals or other groups that have faced problems historically, even women in this country fought a very tough battle (and still do, as do many other groups of people) for equality.

I don't see people with different skin as being any different, the only difference (for me) is culture, people have different cultures, culture is awesome anyway. Embrace and evolve culturally is my attitude.

In regards to the Mobo's I don't pay too much attention to music awards but anyone can win a Mobo award can they not?

Well said, and yes white people can win mobo's, Eminem has won at the mobo's as have no doubt many other non black artists.
Mobo means MusicOfBlackOrigin and is simply a factual statement, racists however seem to get their knickers in a twist about it as many of them are a bit stupid and don't understand :p
 
Black groups are formed because they have faced race related issues throughout history, much like support groups for homosexuals or other groups that have faced problems historically, even women in this country fought a very tough battle (and still do, as do many other groups of people) for equality.

Some might argue that the formation of such groups, while potentially beneficial in terms of combating 'race related issues', in the longer term are simply reinforcing the difference between races simply through their existence. Will minority group XYZ ever have true equality if they 'rely on' implicitly biased/prejudiced/imbalanced/whatever groups to further their cause?

I'm not suggesting such groups aren't of benefit, in fact without them maybe some changes for equality would never have come about, but to achieve true equality there needs to be a natural force of change not one driven by the very segregation that one is seeking to eliminate.
 
It's a good question and I'd have to think about it more before I gave you an answer.

I think though, that without question these groups have done and will continue to work towards total quality; which is a strange thing for me, because everyone is equal anyway in my opinion. I don't think that we will see total equality across humanity for a very, very long time. Which is sad. Great things happen when we work together for a collective purpose and look upwards for inspiration.
 
You sound very much like a racist apologist which in my book makes you pretty much as bad as them!!
Either that or you have failed to understand the simple meaning of racism/bigotry :confused:

No, the man is right. There is so much social stigma attached to 'racism' people, as always leave their sensible hats at home and the black people who cry racism have become mentally contioned not to be offended but instead outraged.

Calling someone a "black *******" is no worse than calling someone a "scouse *******" offense is measured by how the person you are insulting feels about the insult...

To suggest that somehow black people are more offended by insults against their colour than others are about any of their features or traits is bigoted itself. You belittle the feelings of others.
 
Some might argue that the formation of such groups, while potentially beneficial in terms of combating 'race related issues', in the longer term are simply reinforcing the difference between races simply through their existence. Will minority group XYZ ever have true equality if they 'rely on' implicitly biased/prejudiced/imbalanced/whatever groups to further their cause?

I'm not suggesting such groups aren't of benefit, in fact without them maybe some changes for equality would never have come about, but to achieve true equality there needs to be a natural force of change not one driven by the very segregation that one is seeking to eliminate.

Not really because its mainly the racists and bigots that see it as a segregation of race, normal folk simply see it as people understandably fighting for their rights and equality!

They are not reinforcing the difference between races rather the difference between the treatment of races!
Sadly these very forums are a prime example of why, shamefully, these groups still need to exist in the 21st century!
 
I really don't know why or how someone would ever want to be racist?

How can you dislike someone for the colour of their skin, it just seems stupid.
 
And too call someone a choc ice isnt racist against whites? i find it very racist.

It is indeed, every bit as racist as monkey chants despite any poor excuses against it.

However, I'll reserve my outrage for when I see the crowds waving inflatable choc-ice at whiteys.
 
Logical fallacy, Black is minority so the scenario would not happen. Not because white people are more racist.
 
Well said, and yes white people can win mobo's, Eminem has won at the mobo's as have no doubt many other non black artists.
Mobo means MusicOfBlackOrigin and is simply a factual statement, racists however seem to get their knickers in a twist about it as many of them are a bit stupid and don't understand :p

Are you aiming this at me, I'm not stupid, just genuinely interested in peoples opinions. I had known that eminem and other white musicians had won the award but that's not what I was aiming at.

There are some really interesting thoughts in this thread such as short term gains but in the long run will the decisiveness actually benefit us as a society.
 
There really aren't any black people in Cornwall. It's odd. Only mentioned it as I noticed OP is in Hayle. You can literally go for months without seeing a single black person down here.

I have no idea why this is.

Right my flats going up for sale,and its Cornwall here i come:D
 
I really don't know why or how someone would ever want to be racist?

How can you dislike someone for the colour of their skin, it just seems stupid.

Absolutely, but i don't think it's the skin it's the culture they become racist against because its different and they don't understand it and are not part of it.
 
There will always be racist comments, thats just the way it is, and always will be , coloured people just need to get over it ,and stop waving the racist card at every opportunity.

I mean whats next a football player calling another player big nose, and getting sent off and fined , blah blah blah, its pathetic and its all very tiresome.
its just name calling , grow up.
 
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There will always be racist comments, thats just the way it is, and always will be , coloured people just need to get over it ,and stop waving the racist card at every opportunity.

Honestly I don't think that most comments that people consider racist ever actually have any racist intent behind them, it's simply a comment that is meant to offend the person they're saying it to and will get the biggest reaction if this makes any sense :p.
 
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