New EU Tyre Labelling.

[[TW]Fox]

its not a performance rating though!
The rating is for wet braking which makes perfect sense

Wet braking is an aspect of performance. How does it make perfect sense that a Michelin Energy - a budget tyre - has better wet braking performance than a Michelin Pilot Sport 2, a ultra high performance tyre?*

 

[Firestar_3x]

its not a performance rating though!
The rating is for wet braking which makes perfect sense

What, like the Evo test???

I'm sorry but the EU ratings are garbage, regardless of your personal view, lots of us have had a very wide range of tyres from all performance standpoints, we all conclude that some of the tyres rated as the same performance as the expensive stuff simply don't hold a candle to them, cheap tyres are shown up in the wet which makes the ratings even more amusing.

 

[jej_knowles]

here is my dilema! i actually looked at this thread because i need to replace the 2 front tyres on my car this weekend.
my tyres are 205/55r16 v
So what do i get and why??? lol

 

[jej_knowles]

Wet braking is an aspect of performance. How does it make perfect sense that a Michelin Energy - a budget tyre - has better wet braking performance than a Michelin Pilot Sport 2, a ultra high performance tyre?*

you kind of answered your own question there! The ultra performance tyre is designed for maximum grip when its dry which reduces its wet performance.
you can not have both the best wet and dry performance in one tyre!!!

 

[Firestar_3x]

What?

We aren't talking about cut slicks you know.

 

[[TW]Fox]

you kind of answered your own question there! The ultra performance tyre is designed for maximum grip when its dry which reduces its wet performance.

Just.. wow.

 

[jej_knowles]

you can not have both the best wet and dry performance in one tyre!!!

You know this is true thats why you left it out! pathetic

 

[One]

For my size all the usual suspects - Eagle F1, ContiSport 5 etc etc - are all A for wet grip. Dunlop Winter Sport 3D is... E.

But how wet is wet? Unless it's really raining hard then the winter tyres might not actually be as good seeing as they will have more groves for water clearance than normal tyres and thus less rubber contact on the road.

They need 3 tests really, dry stoppage, wet stoppage and really wet stoppage.

Once again it's bureaucracy using their limited knowledge to simplify things for the masses even though it mostly means nothing. Just like that 5-a-day nonsense.

 

[andy_mk3]

Pointless for most people. I work in a tyre place, 90% of people ask for budget tyres, and still moan at the price. There's only a small proportion of people who want branded tyres, they're usually people with money and nice cars that clearly need decent tyres, or there's older people with their Kia Cee'd who want Michelins all round.

 

[[TW]Fox]

You can get reasonably close in a road tyre - becuase the attributes that make the very best dry tyres so good in the dry yet so poor in the wet (ie, an ultra soft compound and slick tread pattern) are not legal on road tyres.

It's true that you won't generally find one particular tyre being the best at both but this is absolutely miles away from stating it makes perfect sense that a manufacturers budget tyre would offer better wet preformance than its flagship performance tyre.

I buy my tyres based on wet performance and I've never once seen the Michelin Energy regarded as anything other than thoroughly medicore.

 

[Third Opinion]

I would like some kind of tyre tests done during the life of the tyre. I know it is silly to ask such a thing but many reviews are made of brand new rubber over a short time.

The durability seems to come down to people ragging the cars over many laps of a test track, rather than day to day driving over standard roads achieving the same mileage over very different conditions.

Not to say the obvious that tyres will be different cars due to the vast difference is suspension set,.

 

[Firestar_3x]

I would like some kind of tyre tests done during the life of the tyre. I know it is silly to ask such a thing but many reviews are made of brand new rubber over a short time.

The durability seems to come down to people ragging the cars over many laps of a test track, rather than day to day driving over standard roads achieving the same mileage over very different conditions.

Not to say the obvious that tyres will be different cars due to the vast difference is suspension set,.

Regardless of how the tests are conducted someone will find fault, Goodyear and continental see it fit to develop tyres on the test track, due to it's a controlled and repeatable nature.

The Evo tests use a similar structure to allow repeatability and consistency in results, regardless of the test nature the best rated tyres aren't suddenly going to be rubbish and the worst ones best.

 

[jej_knowles]

im sorry but im not going to keep shouting this anymore! THE ULTRA PERFORMANCE PETROL HEAD TYRES WILL NOT RATE VERY WELL IN A WET BRAKING TEST BECAUSE THEIR DESIGN IS BIASED TOWARDS DRY PERFORMANCE . THE ECONOMY TYRES ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR BREAK NECK CORNERING SPEED SO HAVE LESS LARGE FLAT AREAS OF RUBBER AND MORE GROOVES MAKING THEM RATE BETTER IN THE WET BRAKING TEST!

 

[Firestar_3x]

You must rate as one of the motors top trolls of the week, congratulations, have a cookie for not having a clue.

Go read up about tread block design, water channels and general tyre function and come back, a simple look at some UHP photos will show just how laughable your large flat tread area comments are.

 

[jej_knowles]

Why is it so hard to grasp the concept?

 

[[TW]Fox]

THE ULTRA PERFORMANCE PETROL HEAD TYRES WILL NOT RATE VERY WELL IN A WET BRAKING TEST BECAUSE THEIR DESIGN IS BIASED TOWARDS DRY PERFORMANCE

So why does the Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymetric 2 Ultra High Performance Tyre not only consistently top the tables in tyre tests for wet braking but yet also carry an 'A' grade for wet braking in these new tests?

I cannot remember ever fitting a UHP tyre to my car that had large flat tread area! they simply don't.

Surely according to you such a tyre should be poor in the wet?

Why is it so hard to grasp the concept?

You tell us..

 

[jej_knowles]

if its top of the table for wet braking of course it will score an 'A' for wet braking in the new tests! did i miss something?

 

[Kenai]

if its top of the table for wet braking of course it will score an 'A' for wet braking in the new tests! did i miss something?

Well you just told us a tyre can't be good at dry performance and wet performance, then said high performance tyres are biased towards dry performance.

That's clearly absolute horse****.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Sounds like someone who works in kwikfit advising people on which tyres to buy........

 

[jej_knowles]

why would michelin give their budget tyre a better wet braking rating than their sport /performance tyre if that wasn't the case?