Are we losing this country?

It's not about loosing a country, it's about peoples attitude to change. It's doesn't matter if you are a company or country; if you are not able to adapt to the changes around you; you become a thing of the past...

It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change.
Leon C. Megginson

Also to loose something you have to own it, who exactly owns a country?
 
Monserrat said:
It's making us more of an importer than an exporter...
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We've been a net importer since the early 1980s. Nothing new here.

Monserrat said:
What do we gain by selling our companies? Sure, a lump sum to begin with (e.g. Premier Foods selling Branston), but is there a contingency plan or do the top guys bail and retire on the lump sum?
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They aren't 'our companies'. These are mostly private companies not public companies.
 
Cleeecooo said:
It's an insignificant sum.

Someone earning £100k won't notice £2k going out every year
Somenoe earning £30k won't notice £200 going out per annum
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When I was on 30k my payments were about £130 a month. You do notice it. That was on a £7k loan too, not t sure if it would be higher on the monstrous loans required nowadays.
 
minister said:
Thats your view, I never linked them both you did, you came to that conclusion not me. You assume which is the problem, without real proof you were programme to automatically come to that view.
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So you started to mention a conspiracy without actually answering my question to what you are on about???

SHENANEGANS!!!

You're Britboy.
 
Worthy said:
When I was on 30k my payments were about £130 a month. You do notice it. That was on a £7k loan too, not t sure if it would be higher on the monstrous loans required nowadays.
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I suppose it depends where you live aswell, everyone i've ever spoken to says they didn't notice that much, it will ofcourse vary from person to person, but the student loan isn't really such a bad one compared to a mortgage as you can default on it without having repurcussions
 
pingwing said:
So you started to mention a conspiracy without actually answering my question to what you are on about???

SHENANEGANS!!!

You're Britboy.
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You mention it 1st, not me, didn't even say anything about one till you started to go on about it. then you assume it was a Jewish conspiracy which i never said, then I went on to say there is always a global conspiracy, accomplish a legal end through illegal actions erm Iraq is one, the Emipre was another the list goes on and on.
 
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Worthy said:
When I was on 30k my payments were about £130 a month. You do notice it. That was on a £7k loan too, not t sure if it would be higher on the monstrous loans required nowadays.
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Your payments are based on wage not the loan. And no, it really isn't noticeable.
 
LordSplodge said:
You appear to be unable to grasp the concept of: 'free at the point of entry' - The NHS isn't free. We all pay for it via the tax system.
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I think I did say something about taxes but if not, then its paid by some and free too others who have not paid any taxes, becoming a public good with a free rider issue, so it becomes known as free.
 
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The British need to get it into their head, they are no longer what they were once. We are no longer a Great nation, we are now a typical nation.
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No the Uk has delusions of grandeur IE the largest armed forces in Europe - but no economic need therefore as the Victorians had with a real empire on which the sun never set.
 
minister said:
I think I did say something about taxes but if not, then its paid by some and free too others who have not paid any taxes, becoming a public good with a free rider issue, so it becomes known as free.
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Only idiots believe everything in life is free.

Free at the point of use, or access, is totally different. No charge at point of use would be better, but those who coin such phrases are rarely minded to avoid certain phrasing in fear of the bletherings of a buffoon.
 
Biohazard said:
Only idiots believe everything in life is free.

Free at the point of use, or access, is totally different. No charge at point of use would be better, but those who coin such phrases are rarely minded to avoid certain phrasing in fear of the bletherings of a buffoon.
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Nothing is life is for free, I know that through a lot of experience and many many years of being on this planet.

Even if something is claiming to be free it isnt, Somewhere down the line there are beneficiaries regarding whatever it is that is supposed to be free.
 
minister said:
I think I did say something about taxes but if not, then its paid by some and free too others who have not paid any taxes, becoming a public good with a free rider issue, so it becomes known as free.
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Free at the point of entry healthcare is a sign of a modern civilisation. Some people pay their taxes and take out of the NHS much less than they pay in, some like me pay plenty of tax but need lifelong NHS care. Others may be on benefits for life and contribute nearly nothing to the NHS.

None of that makes it free.


The very fact you suggest it is being taken over by 'free loaders' shows both a lack of understanding of the system and a lack of care. If somebody needs medical treatment in this country we don't ask them what they earn. We treat them, that's something we should be proud of.
 
PFS said:
Nothing is life is for free, I know that through a lot of experience and many many years of being on this planet.

Even if something is claiming to be free it isnt, Somewhere down the line there are beneficiaries regarding whatever it is that is supposed to be free.
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What has someone benefiting got to do with cost?
 
LordSplodge said:
Free at the point of entry healthcare is a sign of a modern civilisation. Some people pay their taxes and take out of the NHS much less than they pay in, some like me pay plenty of tax but need lifelong NHS care. Others may be on benefits for life and contribute nearly nothing to the NHS.

None of that makes it free.


The very fact you suggest it is being taken over by 'free loaders' shows both a lack of understanding of the system and a lack of care. If somebody needs medical treatment in this country we don't ask them what they earn. We treat them, that's something we should be proud of.
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Do you know the difference between, free rider and free loaders? because it sounds to me you dont.

If I'm a wealthy asset owner and my income comes from thoses assets i do not pay towards the NHS but i can use the NHS what do you class that? is that not free? if i'm a hedge fund manager i pay capital gains on my gain and us this as my living expenses i do not pay towards the NHS, i'm an asylum seeker or immigrant I come over have a baby then go back they all use the NHS, is that not free?
 
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Castiel said:
Not by GDP expenditure or by available regular and reserve personnel they don't.
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Spain have the largest by available regular and reserve personnel, then Germany, then Italy, then France and UK followed by Finland.

Yes by GDP we do, but that does not mean anything really because there can be many factors that make it up.
Then again you said largest and nothing else.
It like saying Libya did not have any debt, so they must be the wealthiest country on the plant?
 
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