RAC/Garage woes - Where do I stand?

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Hi all,

So, Thursday morning my car breaks down an hour away from home. The car was over revving and struggling to get past 25mph. I call the RAC, an hour later the mechanic rings and says "I can get you in at a garage today to get a new clutch for £410". I said, hold fire, and see what you think first. He turns up, and says the clutch is slipping and that the car isn't going to make it much further. I have two options, tow it home or tow it to an RAC approved garage and get the clutch replaced.

The car gets towed to the garage as if I'd have got it towed home, it'd be stranded. I do not pay for the RAC home-start service, you have to break down 1.5 miles away from your house otherwise they don't come. I figured it's far easier to get it to their trusted garage in Brighton rather than paying carriage cost to my local garage back home.

So, car goes into the garage and later in the day the garage rings me and says the car is ready for collection. New clutch has been fitted. Bear in mind at this point, I had a new clutch fitted six months ago because the old one reached the end of its life. They said the old clutch had been fitted incorrectly, and that my usual garage hadn't tightened the bolts in opposites so it was sitting uneven, causing it to "rub on the pressure plate". They road tested it and it was okay.

I paid for the work (£410) and left. I got 10 miles down the road, and the symptoms started again. I was on a busy duel carriage way, struggling to do 30mph in 3rd gear. I broke down again and called the RAC at about 5pm.

The RAC turned up again (new mechanic this time) and said he was bemused. He'd spoken to the garage already and confirmed they were going to give me a courtesy car and he would tow my car back to the garage again so they could attempt to rectify the problem. This all happened and I stayed at my brother's overnight so I remained local and could pick it up the next day without having to do wasted journeys.

Today (Friday) they said the master cylinder was duff. Something about it not returning to it's position properly after being moved by the clutch pedal the further you went. Apparently, over night, it slowly returns to its position resulting in the car working fine again the next usel, until the problem replicates.

As I needed to be home, I said do it. This cost another £75 on top of the £410 I'd already paid. I queried their original diagnosis asking if the old clutch being removed was really necessary and they said it still stood because the clutch was still 'damaged'. I also asked if the car had been properly road tested, as he said their previous road test hadnt identified the problem because the road tests they do aren't long enough to force the problem. He said they had road tested the car fifteen miles (similiar to how far I got when I picked it up). Little did he know I photographed my speedo before handing the car back to them after the second road test. They only went 3.2 miles! I also photographed the evidence of this.

I retained the old clutch and my friend (who is a mechanic where I live) is going to inspect the part to see if there's anything actually wrong with it. He hasn't had time to do this yet, though I'll post whatever his findings are.

Where do I stand with this? The £75 is not my issue with the whole situation. Either way, that had to be done. But if the old clutch is found to be absolutely fine then I am very annoyed at wasting £410. If this was a total rip off, why was I taken by the RAC to their "Approved and recommended garage"? Most importantly, where do I stand in terms of a crap diagnosis on the garage's behalf?

Any help would be great, thanks.
 
Sorry to bump but this is slightly urgent and I really need some advice!
 
If it was an RAC Approved garage, pending the results of the "old clutch" and assuming it was fine and needn't be replaced, I would take it up with the RAC directly and complain through them - rarely will you fight a garage and get something worthwhile out of it. The RAC stands to lose a lot of business if they get shoddy garages on board, so they will soon sort it out!

I had a similar incident when I was returning to Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago - spark plug #1 blew out of the cylinder on the A1(M). AA turned up sharpish and had a good look (after I had already inspected the engine and found what the issue was whilst getting bored waiting for him) and he came to a similar conclusion to mine. At this point I was 150 miles away from Edinburgh still, and 200 miles away from home, so had to be towed on. He gave me the option of trying to fix it there and then, taking it to an AA-approved garage or leaving it with me and towing. I opted for the towing option as I didn't want to leave the car in/around Newcastle and get to Edinburgh myself, but got the details off the mechanic of one of their approved garages in Edinburgh.

Rang them the next day, explained what happened, my diagnosis and the AA mechanics diagnosis and he started reeling off that the car would have to come in, dismantle the entire engine buy a whole set of new parts, which a rough total was coming around the £1800 mark, that's probably worth four times what the car is (V reg Pug 306 1.4). It's rubbish. I'm now getting it sorted with one of the mech-eng lecturers at my college and will cost no more than £500 including labour. I had no problem with the AA side of things, but the garage that they had recommended were pulling numbers and parts out of thin air. I got in touch with the AA and informed them and they said they would investigate, and remove the "breakdown" from my record so that if it does happen again in a short space of time, they'll come out to look at it again (as opposed to not doing it as per the contract).

TLDR: Get in touch with the RAC and go through it with them :)
 
You will struggle to hold either liable I would imagine. Moan like heck and perhaps get something for goodwill?

The friend who's looking at the old clutch actually works for the RAC himself. I think he's pretty fuming that I've been ripped off, and he gets like a rottweiler with bad garages. He'll probably do some digging for me and ask around at work. I'll find out I guess...

I'm afraid to say I think it might be one of those "chalk it up to experience" times... :( Bloody expensive experience though.
 
Nothing helpful, but that sucks dude... The morals and ethics of some garages seem to be quite a bit off, especially when the everyday customer doesn't really have any idea and has to just trust their judgement :(
 
If the master cylinder was faulty then it is quite possible the clutch plate was trashed anyway, especially if you have been driving with it slipping.

In fairness faced with a slipping clutch, most garages would replace and it is the labour that costs, so by the time the gearbox is out, you may as well fit a new clutch anyway.

If it had turned out to be a trashed DMF not the clutch, and they replaced the clutch but didn't fix the DMF (replace) then that would be slightly different.

Post a pic of the clutch plate, I am sure we will be able to see if it is trashed.
 
As above: if the hydraulic clutch was faulty it probably did trash the plate. - I had a slave cylinder that leaked fluid on the plate, and as a result the organic material got shredded and a bit was stuck in the release mechanism of the pressure plate.

If the one they took out looks like this, it's definitely borked:
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Hi all,

The car was over revving and struggling to get past 25mph..



Fairly definitive of a slipping clutch and more then a couple of miles of that will overheat and kill the friction plate. Hydraulic issues would usually give you the opposite issue, hard to get into gear or a poor pedal but the clutch will still bite.

If you could post a pic of the clutch then that would be helpful.
 
Fairly definitive of a slipping clutch and more then a couple of miles of that will overheat and kill the friction plate. Hydraulic issues would usually give you the opposite issue, hard to get into gear or a poor pedal but the clutch will still bite.

If you could post a pic of the clutch then that would be helpful.

If the cylinder was jamming and not returning to it's natural position then it would do just that, it'll be like holding your foot on the pedal a bit.
 
While iam not saying it couldn't happen I have never encountered a system acting in such a fashion. Would be interesting to see if that was the case.
 
Hydraulic issues would usually give you the opposite issue, hard to get into gear or a poor pedal but the clutch will still bite.

No they wouldn't, not what he has described. A leaky hydraulic system would do what you described, not a sticking master cylinder.
 
As I mentioned in the post above yours I have not seen a master cylinder stick in such a fashion and would be interested to see if that was the case. If the master was to be sticking or otherwise faulty I would imagine that the first thing you would notice would be a poor feel to the pedal which the OP didn't mention.
 
I am not sure of what car you have or the clutch design in it. Many hydraulic clutch master cylinders are located in side the bell housing with the clutch itself. Older cars had them on the outside. When I have had the clutch replaced in the past I got the master cylinder done at the same time as it would have needed the same expensive dismantlement to replace if it had failed at a different time to the clutch.

The last clutch kit I bought actually had the cylinder in it which was darn handy, but not the norm.

If this is the case with your car then the garage has only charged you for one dismantlement and as said above the clutch was probably borked due to the fluid on it. They probably didn't check it which has caused you inconvenience but would have probably cost the same.
 
I am not sure of what car you have or the clutch design in it. Many hydraulic clutch master cylinders are located in side the bell housing with the clutch itself. Older cars had them on the outside. When I have had the clutch replaced in the past I got the master cylinder done at the same time as it would have needed the same expensive dismantlement to replace if it had failed at a different time to the clutch.

The last clutch kit I bought actually had the cylinder in it which was darn handy, but not the norm.

If this is the case with your car then the garage has only charged you for one dismantlement and as said above the clutch was probably borked due to the fluid on it. They probably didn't check it which has caused you inconvenience but would have probably cost the same.

its the slave cylinder that's on or in the bell housing, the master is the one connected to the pedal
 
Hope you get sorted one way or another mate...not to add to your rage though...

I had a similar'ish RAC experience with my last car (Mazda 6).
Mazda 6 forums etc were full off blown tyre valve stories - basically they were made from a material that after a period of time failed and people were experiencing blown tyre valves left right and centre. I ended up fitting rubber ones on each wheel after loosing 4 tyres within 3 months.

But anyway - I spent a lot of time in the company of 3rd party garages/recovery companies etc who are all "trusted/Approved" etc.

They all told a similar story - RAC dont pay them a fee per recovery...they "win" the contract and this covers all recovery and 24/7.... with the view that they will make their money from the repairs/tyres etc they pick-up through it - hence my tyres from their partner were £180 more expensive that where I could get them....I asked to be towed home after it happened a second time (no spare btw)

Not sure if you were picked up by a recovery partner etc but it does show that maybe when you (ie we) add up the cost of recovery + associated inflated costs through badly motivated "partners" would it be cheaper to not have cover and use your own garage/contacts etc... don't know...but thoght it was worth sharing for others..
 
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