reps-is this right?

icecold said:
. No one will reach their aesthetic goal by just doing curls and lateral raises... and a 10 min run.

Also, from your posts it seems like you're primarily using machines - don't do this.
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To your first point I agree but its also something I never claimed.

I never said i primarily used machines and of course functional movements are always better - that I don't disagree with but machines do have a place in bodybuilding too, which is why you see everyone at the gym whether they are a tank or starting out using them at some point.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
which is why you see everyone at the gym whether they are a tank or starting out using them at some point.
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Biggest load of crap ever. Typical "Well why would they be doing it then?" attitude that loads of beginners have and end up getting really confused by.

I see muscley guys in the gym doing the most horrendous things, it doesn't mean it's right. I wonder how much more they would have progressed/how much faster they would have reached their goals if they did things properly.

There's an ab crunch machine in my gym, that means it must be good... right?
 
Zefan said:
Biggest load of crap ever. Typical "Well why would they be doing it then?" attitude that loads of beginners have and end up getting really confused by.

I see muscley guys in the gym doing the most horrendous things, it doesn't mean it's right. I wonder how much more they would have progressed/how much faster they would have reached their goals if they did things properly.

There's an ab crunch machine in my gym, that means it must be good... right?
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all true, cant fault you on that. but I still like using some machines providing not cable in a routine.
 
Machines have their place, to think otherwise is silly :P
Thats not what this thread is about though :)

iamtheoneneo said:
your never really going to see 'real' results from the get go unless your sourced up to high heaven- everything takes time and effort to achieve,
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What rubbish. Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish!
 
Yeah, I don't understand what this anti machine stance is, it's almost as ridiculous as the anti bicep isolation attitude

Machines, while never being a substitute for free weights, can still be a very valuable part of any routine
 
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Steedie said:
Yeah no understand what this anti machine stance is, it's almost as ridiculous as the anti bicep isolation attitude

Machines, while never being a substitute for free weights, can still be a very valuable part of any routine
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Is it a full on anti-machine stance though ?

If anyone in my gym talks to me they will get pointed towards free weights every time over a machine, but I still use machines for odd exercises myself.

Is it just a case of when you are trying to get a point accross to someone you become 100% biased towards what you are reccomending/talking about just to illustrate your point better ?



oh and as for the isolation exercises, I am only finding out about this anti-isolation movement since I started reading OCUK sports arena.

I still do a 3 days isolation split myself and am just now starting to read/learn about NOT doing it my way
M - Chest/biceps/abs
W - back/triceps
F - legs/shoulders/grip
 
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I think Steedie means doing direct bicep/tricep isolation isn't always recommended on here. For example, instead of curls I would do chins, and my biceps will cry. For triceps I would do CGBP.
 
It's possible to use machines for some training outcomes, that part is definitely true.

However, as a biginner it's very easy to use them poorly, both in technique and in programme construction (or lack there-of). A large part of learning how to get the most out of the gym is learning how to move well, which is better acheived with free weights.
 
LiE said:
I think Steedie means doing direct bicep/tricep isolation isn't always recommended on here. For example, instead of curls I would do chins, and my biceps will cry. For triceps I would do CGBP.
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Which is perfectly adequate for your goals, and I wouldn't recommend doing isolation work as quite frankly, you don't really need it. Your arms are developing more than enough doing that

However, for people who are bodybuilding where it's important to "sculpt" your physique and worry about minor details like outer and inner biceps, or people who have underdeveloped arms/stubborn arms, isolation work is the way to go. While doing the correct back exercises will still hit your arms, sometimes it just isn't enough to trigger growth and they need that extra isolation work just to get the sort of progress they want
 
It's a fair comment; if you want a muscle to grow that isn't growing already from your balanced routine, and good technique/mobility, then isolate it.

The general "anti bicep curl" movement largely comes from how lolsy it is for people who are skinny everywhere to want to focus on their arms.
 
Oh yeah totally, I'm one of the first to roll my eyes when someone new starts a "spec me a routine" thread, and the first thing they mention is wanting big arms or listing 50 different curl variations :D
 
I have just recovered from M.E. It has left me feeling very very weak. So I cannot do very much just yet. I'm trying to building up gradually.

I have been told my doctor and a physiotherapist that I need to get going again.

Thanks for all the replies.
 
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