Is it illegal to act upon insider info

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yes it is illegal but unless your suddenly buying thousands/hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of shares it's hard to spot any "dodgy" transactions.

If you suddenly setup a share purchase account, deposit £100k and then buy shares that rocket the next day, that's pretty obvious but at lower levels it's not really that clear. But it is technically illegal.
 
yes it is illegal but unless your suddenly buying thousands/hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of shares it's hard to spot any "dodgy" transactions.

Really? I didn't realise you were familiar with the FSA Transaction Reporting Service....
 
How do you know how frequently it happens?

which one?

insider dealing i'm sure happens all the time - people talk and take advantage to make a bit of money. Its wrong but it still happens.

as for convictions - there are a number of high profile cases but i don't know how many smaller ones happen. maybe the fsa guy can tell us.

its part of corporate governess also - you cannot reveal price sensitive info that has not been revealed to the shareholders first. Any director that does that will be sacked. There are lots of rules and laws in place.
 
Check the FSA website and there's loads of info and details on there including convictions/details etc.

Takes years to get convictions as the information, telephone records, bank records, trading information etc can take years to sift through to get proof that it was actually insider trading etc.
 
which one?

insider dealing i'm sure happens all the time - people talk and take advantage to make a bit of money. Its wrong but it still happens.

as for convictions - there are a number of high profile cases but i don't know how many smaller ones happen. maybe the fsa guy can tell us.

its part of corporate governess also - you cannot reveal price sensitive info that has not been revealed to the shareholders first. Any director that does that will be sacked. There are lots of rules and laws in place.

I don't think you have any idea whatsoever how frequently this happens. People won't publicize it, you'll only hear when a high profile individual someone involved in a huge profit gets caught.
 
the law is daft, it's incredibly hard to enforce this, unless it's obvious like before a takover someone puts all their life savings on a compay that is about to be acquired. generally people are more discrete and you can get third parties to act for you and share the profits with them.

insider trading is the order of the day, its hard to beleive that someone who has insider knowlede which they can make a huge return on won't act on it. It's like landing on a £10,000 scratchcard that the wind blew towards you and saying "I didnt pay for this scratchcard, it's someone elses so I won't claim it". BS! Most people would think it;s fair game, you dont know whose this is, you have no way of returning it to the owner because everyone will claim it was theirs, so you would cash it in.

For insider traders, im sure the logic is the same. You're not hurting anyone, just depriving a large company with limitless funds a little bit to get ahead. FGS Libor was fixed!! what makes you think this sort of thing doesnt happen at every level?

Where to begin....

The analogy makes no sense for starters. For seconds you are hurting other people. You are exploiting knowledge which you should not have to the detriment of other investors. Whether or not insider trading takes place does not make it ok to do it yourself. Many forms of criminal activity are rife, it doesn't mean you just pile in.

OP as has been pointed out unless you are dealing with a very small company or investing a huge amount of money, you are unlikely to even be noticed let alone convicted. That said what you are doing IS a crime and if caught you would likely be prosecuted. My advice is to just forget about it and move on.
 
I don't think you have any idea whatsoever how frequently this happens. People won't publicize it, you'll only hear when a high profile individual someone involved in a huge profit gets caught.

you are right, i don't - i was hoping someone would enlighten me.
 
which one?

insider dealing i'm sure happens all the time - people talk and take advantage to make a bit of money. Its wrong but it still happens.

as for convictions - there are a number of high profile cases but i don't know how many smaller ones happen. maybe the fsa guy can tell us.

its part of corporate governess also - you cannot reveal price sensitive info that has not been revealed to the shareholders first. Any director that does that will be sacked. There are lots of rules and laws in place.

And so easy. The amount of times over the years I have heard titbits of crucial information which has resulted in that companies share price rocketing a few months later but I have never acted on it.

The last one I knew about, the share price tripled within two months.:(

It's so easy with so many people involved and they might mention something innocently in passing or to their wife who mentions it to their hairdresser etc.

Most people never get prosecuted. Obviously the big cases where directors buy millions of shares just before a big announcement which see the price rocket get caught and eventuallu get done but it's complex and hard to secure a prosecution.
 
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