OMG I love my new Nivdia 680

[humbug]

I guess I should say the AMD/ATI cards I had problem with were:

Sapphire Radeon 9000 - died after a couple months.
ASUS Radeon 9600XT - kept crashing with AGP 8x. Would only work in AGP 4x, despite supporting 8x.

So that's a looooooooong time ago. But AMD/ATI still have terrible driver reputation

The nV cards were 7800GT, 8800GT, and current GTX460. Apart from exceeding rare "driver has been restarted" error, nothing but smooth sailing with any of them. No crashes in games, they just work.

I am doubtful from my reading that AMD will give the same experience. Always threads about "have you tried this driver?" or "driver xx.xx gives me this problem, I had to roll back to..."

I do remember that nV had one driver which killed some cards, but let's forget about that one Seems to be the exception rather than the norm for nV.

AMD's driver reputation is down to an individuals perceptions, usually it depends on what they have been using for a few years, they have had one or two bad experiences with one and are then convinced its a common fault because they see others with the same problem, and never use that line of product again, whats more they then insists themselves its a common fault with that one and not the other one because they search for it specifically and find it over and over again, as they would. I have seen the same thing being said about Nvidia as AMD over the years.

It happens both ways, and they are as good or as bad as each-other.

I know one thing, i have switched between the two for lengths of time and i think they are both as good as each-other.

 

[RetrogamerX]

I know one thing, i have switched between the two for lengths of time and i think they are both as good as each-other.

Over the past year or so it seems more AMD having more issues then nV, But in general both are pretty much the same. AMD has advantage over nV because of price. nV cards are not cheap.

 

[Gregster]

I agree with fin8ly. Both have problems and sometimes require roll backs. That is why they are betas (unfinished).

 

[humbug]

Over the past year or so it seems more AMD having more issues then nV, But in general both are pretty much the same. AMD has advantage over nV because of price. nV cards are not cheap.

Its just a perception, nv problems get reported on nv forums, AMD don't have such a thing so more often then not they end up on ordinary forums.

 

[Nelly]

Its just a perception, nv problems get reported on nv forums, AMD don't have such a thing so more often then not they end up on ordinary forums.

What's this then >> http://forums.amd.com/game/

 

[Rroff]

And again people equating "both have problems" to "both are the same" when its not the case at all if you look at it objectively.

 

[humbug]

And again people equating "both have problems" to "both are the same" when its not the case at all if you look at it objectively.

Expand on what you mean by "objectively"

@ Nelly, didn't even know that forum existed. and i'm not surprised, it look pretty dead.

Thanks for the link tho

 

[tommybhoy]

And again people equating "both have problems" to "both are the same" when its not the case at all if you look at it .

Both are the same as they both have problems

As for the nvidia forums I honestly have no opinion I don't even have an account there neither do I care how they may or may not reflect on nVidia.

So why do you care so much putting the boot into AMD and how it does reflect on AMD?

Have a good read in the Nvidia forum about complaints objectively instead of objectively guessing that both aren't the same.

There's one thing having an opinion, but you always put it across as fact.

 

[spoffle]

And again people equating "both have problems" to "both are the same" when its not the case at all if you look at it objectively.

Haha, objective, you don't know what it means.

 

[humbug]

same old same old, and it always come up when AMD have the price performance advantage.

 

[spoffle]

Yeah, I've noticed it. I don't think I've come across any other forum member who can so so little with so much text, that's really biased but pretends not to be.

 

[Rroff]

@tommybhoy - you have to look at the scale and nature of the problems, some issues are easier to live with than others, some problems are sorted sooner than others and so on - you have to balance how bad the problems are before you can say that one is as bad as the other or worse than the other - rather than a lot of people seem to do around here and weigh all problems equally.

@spoffle I have never ever pretended not to be bias - infact I've been very upfront about the fact that I have a preference for nVidia and dislike AMD so to make a comment like that is bordering on stupid. I don't however go out of my way to blacken AMD's name more than they already do for themselves or to promote nVidia as some kind of paragon - unfortunatly some people seem to have a developed a somewhat warped impression of me and only ever see in my posts what they want to see and then make silly comments like you just did. If I was the person you and a few others seem to think I am I'd be doing stuff like posting all over the AMD 12.11 threads trying to rubbish AMD in some way.

 

[tommybhoy]

You haven't spoffle, Rroff is the worst offender by far.

He just pops into a thread and drops the rubbish AMD driver bombshell, that in occasion erupts a thread into mindless bickering, then has the habit of just walking away-job done with the face of the Joker!

So sad, so very, very sad that it brings him happiness.

 

[Rroff]

You haven't spoffle, Rroff is the worst offender by far.

He just pops into a thread and drops the rubbish AMD driver bombshell, that in occasion erupts a thread into mindless bickering, then has the habit of just walking away-job done with the face of the Joker!

So sad, so very, very sad that it brings him happiness.

Have to admit I have done that before now - sometimes its just too tempting - but its not something I make a habit of neither do I go out of my way to rubbish AMD's name (as I mentioned in the post above). I do strongly believe they have a way to go yet to prove themselves even tho they aren't anything like as terrible as they were before 2009. I still find it hard to comprehend how anyone who has used both nVidia and AMD for any length of time would consider them on the same level.


EDIT: Its beyond just drivers its AMD's support overall as well, some of the recent AMD drivers aren't that terrible as such as far as drivers go, but plenty of recent games have had a lot lower quality of support on release from AMD than nVidia - take RAGE for example where id software ended up having to code in driver workarounds for standard features that AMD weren't supporting correctly in any public release driver despite providing id software with a perfectly functioning development driver weeks in advance of the game release.

EDIT2: Which is a good example for what I was saying, its in no way a unique case infact - the patch notes for the first proper RAGE patch had 2-3 instances of problems with nVidia hardware, most only affecting a small number of users, and over a dozen driver specific workarounds for AMD users affecting a large number of the users - do we then say they are both as bad as each other as they both have problems or grade them on how badly those problems affect their user base and how quickly those issues are resolved?

 

[tommybhoy]

@tommybhoy - you have to look at the scale and nature of the problems, some issues are easier to live with than others, some problems are sorted sooner than others and so on - you have to balance how bad the problems are before you can say that one is as bad as the other or worse than the other - rather than a lot of people seem to do around here and weigh all problems equally.

How do you know that Nvidia is better, I don't, you don't nobody does.

I don't however go out of my way to blacken AMD's name more than they already do for themselves or to promote nVidia as some kind of paragon

********!

Of course you do!

unfortunatly some people seem to have a developed a somewhat warped impression of me and only ever see in my posts what they want to see and then make silly comments like you just did.

Again we are not the warped ones, look in the mirror and you will see who's warped in their relentless bashing.

 

[humbug]

I still find it hard to comprehend how anyone who has used both nVidia and AMD for any length of time would consider them on the same level.

I have, and prefer AMD overall. there are many others moving from Nvidia to AMD and preferring it.

What do you say to that? does that compute in your head?

 

[tommybhoy]

Snip

Since I have been visiting the forum(long before I registered), you always bring up AMD driver problems, it's pathetic.

If you don't think your going out of your way to rubbish AMD's name then I'm Jen-Hsun Huang- we are both telling massive porkies.

I've used way, way more Nvidia gpu's than AMD ones, and I do not think one is any better than the other-period.

I'm only using AMD as they provide much, much more for the money paid, if Nvidia match the price give or take, I'd be using one now for the PhysX, but their premium is farcical.


On the Rage issue (again), even though time and time again when you bring that up, you are always proved wrong, Final8y amongst others proved it to you that it worked on the driver that AMD released to the public for Rage-so yes, it did work on release with AMD, but yet you are still posting false information on the matter that someone reading your version of events would take as gospel.

Yet you are adamant you don't go out your way to bash AMD?

Aye right, I forgot, I'm wrong, I'm just going to pop into the MM and sell up and go green.

 

[humbug]

Since I have been visiting the forum(long before I registered), you always bring up AMD driver problems, it's pathetic.

If you don't think your going out of your way to rubbish AMD's name then I'm Jen-Hsun Huang- we are both telling massive porkies.

On the Rage issue (again), even though time and time again when you bring that up, you are always proved wrong, Final8y amongst others proved it to you that it worked on the driver that AMD released to the public for Rage-so yes, it did work on release with AMD, but yet you are still posting false information on the matter that someone reading your version of events would take as gospel.

Yet you are adamant you don't go out your way to bash AMD?

Aye right, I forgot, I'm wrong, I'm just going to pop into the MM and sell up and go green.

AMD are on top, to me it just looks like he and people like him hate that, so they have to try and bring it down.

it looks to me like simple school yard tribalism laid bare.

 

[tommybhoy]

But this is the first time in years that AMD have hit top spot, as I said Rroff has always been putting the sneaky boot in as long as I have frequented this forum.

 

[Rroff]

I have, and prefer AMD overall. there are many others moving from Nvidia to AMD and preferring it.

What do you say to that? does that compute in your head?

I say anyone can claim a shift in userbase one way or another, proving it is harder. Also at the end of the day money talks and people are more likely to put up with issues if they can save some money and AMD have traditionally been the cheaper of the two so it doesn't really prove anything either way.