Imagine if I said I was self employed and lied to pay less income tax on this forum. Yet posts like the above are in the dozens on ocuk if you do a search.
if i buy a phone from the usa will i have to pay customs
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Imagine if I said I was self employed and lied to pay less income tax on this forum. Yet posts like the above are in the dozens on ocuk if you do a search.
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If I buy something second hand how do you justify applying another set of taxes to it?
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never said vat is making extra money.
putting the limit form 80 to 40 is just like when they put it up to 20%
I've never seen any of this money that I've put in in the 14 years I've been putting it in.
Such a blanket statement. There are goods that are simply unavailable in the UK.
That's the number one reason why I buy from over seas most of the time.
I also seem to avoid fees nearly every time too.
You legally avoid paying VAT on goods which aren't VAT exempt and are from outside the EU?
The good being unavailable in the UK isn't a defence for evading VAT. The only reason certain things are available is because someone has imported it and are selling on with VAT. Importing something is doing that without a reseller involved. You still have to pay VAT.
Really? You think you've never seen the money collected in tax receipts?
Were you born in a UK hospital? Did you go to school, doctors, enjoy the protection of UK defence, police force? Do you feel safe knowing the UK has a social safety net,a pension when you retire?
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my mum and dad paid for the hospital schools etc
that's not vat that national insurance anyway for hospitals
pension? what pension will that be in 35 years. that's if they don't put the age up. that's also national insurance as well not vat that that's goes on it people on benefits. or the majority of it anyway.
that's not vat that national insurance anyway for hospitals
pension? what pension will that be in 35 years. that's if they don't put the age up. that's also national insurance as well not vat that that's goes on it people on benefits. or the majority of it anyway.
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Still waiting to hear how you can justify endless taxes on second hand goods or perhaps you'd like to change your position on it always being justified?
Taxes are an arbitrary set of rules which apply to everyone which raise money for the government. Raising money for the government (so they can spend it on the various things they do) is the justification.
Otherwise no taxes can be justified.
You cannot decide to not follow tax rules. Lot's of people believe council, inheritance tax etc. are unfair. That doesn't mean they are allowed to not pay it and claim some moral high ground.
Who paid for your parents' education? Keep following that back and ask yourself who paid for the very first schools. Your parents didn't pay for your education, they paid towards everyone's education. The same way working adults are now paying for children, pensioners, the poor right now. You don't build up an endowment which you then draw upon.
People like you love to enjoy what being in the UK brings, but don't want to pay for any of it. Typical tax dodger.
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Stop talking nonsense, I asked you to explain your earlier comment as you were foolish enough to state it's always justified. You still haven't explained why we should be taxed on something that has already been taxed.
People like you...
Why don't you do some good and put as much effort into making sure Government spends our money wisely rather than trying to bring the villainous ocuk tax dodgers to justice?
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The government has no right to add their "tax" and "handing" fee's to items that I buy elsewhere.
Stop talking nonsense, I asked you to explain your earlier comment as you were foolish enough to state it's always justified. You still haven't explained why we should be taxed on something that has already been taxed.
People like you...
Why don't you do some good and put as much effort into making sure Government spends our money wisely rather than trying to bring the villainous ocuk tax dodgers to justice?
You think it's unfair, then petition a change in the law. However, that is the way things are.
The majority of people and businesses are paying their taxes correctly.
Don't try and deflect this into a question about how the government spends their money (besides if they don't collect any then they have nothing to spend). You are evading tax by doing this. The government loses tens of billions a year because people and businesses don't pay tax properly. This then pushes average tax rates rates up for everyone.
They have every right to. Otherwise people would just import everything and avoid VAT/duty on everything. VAT/Duty would become a complete joke of a tax as no one would pay it.
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Errm, it hasn't already been taxed in the UK, thats why duty & VAT are applied..
If you buy something new in the UK that has been imported those taxes have already been levied.
I think you are somewhat confused, they have every right to levy taxes and do not levy any "handling fees" - they are charged by the courier/postal service as a fee for carrying out customs clearance on the item.
As said above, everything you buy has these charges built in to the price, the only difference with a personal import is you are aware of the fees, if you buy something from a shop all those fees are built in to the price.
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You still haven't explained the justification in endlessly reapplying taxes, an item that exits and re-enters the EU gets clobbered by the same taxes again. That's clearly unjustified but you seem to be arguing whatever a government decides is only right and fair, history is full of examples of this not being the case.
You're also prattling on here as if any of us have broken the law, we have not. As I stated above, £18 or under and you won't be liable for extra charges unless it fits into certain categories like alcohol or tobacco, up to £40 if it's marked as a gift. Taking full advantage of the law to make sure you don't accidentally pay extra is only sensible and exactly what millions of people in this country do on a daily basis.
Your claim about Government losing tens of billions to individuals and companies is a load of crap, if those individuals or companies you talk about are breaking the law then why aren't you doing something about a crime being committed? The law isn't there for you to punish those people and companies you dislike and I'd be more interested in debating this with you if your argument weren't so two dimensional. Sensible taxation should go hand in hand with sensible expenditure.
Last I checked a GTX480 isn't under £40, having to lie about it being a warranty return shouldn't have to be necessary if it's genuinely under limits. I don't set tax law and it is irrelevant as to what is said in a debate.
As I said previously I can find you dozens of threads where people evade paying customs charges.
Either you have paid the taxes which are legally due or you haven't. It is as one dimensional as that.
I cannot say this with certainty, but if an item exits and enters the EU with taxes being paid and that can be shown, it most probably won't be liable for additional taxes. See example above where poster told hmrc that the gtx 480 was a warranty return and they let the charges go.
On your last point, if I could end the Grey Economy (which yes is massive) in the UK wouldn't that be brilliant. I can at most tell people that evading customs charges is wrong instead of you making it out to be some ambiguous thing which is unfair. You haven't touched what koooowweeee has done, the person I was actually responding to before you interjected about your view of fairness.
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It's a single market for the EU though, if I buy something from Germany I don't have to pay VAT again and that's OK but if I get something from America that has already been hit by whichever state's tax I have to pay again. Obviously every government wants its slice of the pie but I have a harder time accepting that tax after tax is a fair thing.
Let me give you a slightly different example then, if you collect say stamps and you trade one of yours for one in America is it fair that you have to pay tax on that?
In short OP, yes you will.
They withheld my Christmas gifts last year.
It was one package that contained multiple gifts to my family and since I stated there was over £50 worth in there they withheld it. However, you don't have to pay the fee if your package has multiple recipients where non of which are receiving a gift over £50.
If you can believe this, they made my Mom hand deliver a letter that stated exactly what Christmas presents were inside and to whom those specific presents were intended.
My presents were delivered in February.
Disgusting. I was more than livid.
They withheld my Christmas gifts last year.
It was one package that contained multiple gifts to my family and since I stated there was over £50 worth in there they withheld it. However, you don't have to pay the fee if your package has multiple recipients where non of which are receiving a gift over £50.
If you can believe this, they made my Mom hand deliver a letter that stated exactly what Christmas presents were inside and to whom those specific presents were intended.
My presents were delivered in February.
Disgusting. I was more than livid.
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Is the phone actually compatible for UK use?
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omg!
as said I've paid in far more than I've ever taken out so if i do decide to dodge a tax i do not care.
so you can rant and rave all you like it will not make me feel bad.
if this sort of stuff offends you why don't you barricade the job centers up because there are far worse things going on there.
as said I've paid in far more than I've ever taken out so if i do decide to dodge a tax i do not care.
so you can rant and rave all you like it will not make me feel bad.
if this sort of stuff offends you why don't you barricade the job centers up because there are far worse things going on there.
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Dozens? That puts it into more expensive to police than the revenue it'll generate territory. A bit like IR35 then.
To the letter of the law but that's not quite the same thing is as being right.
I don't know either but I'd suspect that there's no trade occurring may be important. In the example I gave above of trading an item for a similar item from a non-EU region would result in a new set of taxes being applied even though that person has already paid taxes and thus making the item at least 20% more expensive in the UK. This also has the knock on effect of making sure we don't get to see certain things in this country because it adds so much to the cost to import it here, especially a problem when people can buy directly from outside the EU.
There's no ambiguity here, not paying customs charges is (as far as I'm aware) tax evasion but as I said before you're a fool if you don't follow the law to ensure you pay as little as possible (this holds true for everything you get taxed on). I still maintain my position that there are some areas where it's unfair, e.g. second hand goods and you're never going to convince me that I should be happy about it especially when it's squandered so badly (I assume we're still allowed to be annoyed about how badly government is run or has that been made illegal too?).