Traffic Appeal

i will be honest though hurf, the points would translate to higher insurance premiums as he is more of a risk.

someone riding a bike without a helmet regardless of circumstance has one way or another proven recklessness. points on the license would highlight this to an insurer.

someone who has acted in a stupid manner on/in a vehicle and been caught, should imho be subjected to a higher premium.

the fine associated with the act is irrelevant.
 
rjkoneill said:
i will be honest though hurf, the points would translate to higher insurance premiums as he is more of a risk.

someone riding a bike without a helmet regardless of circumstance has one way or another proven recklessness. points on the license would highlight this to an insurer.

someone who has acted in a stupid manner on/in a vehicle and been caught, should imho be subjected to a higher premium.

the fine associated with the act is irrelevant.
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I disagree, who is to say he was not testing out a bike to improve his motoring skills and understanding, in a car park, safely. I do not buy the idea that simply being on a bike without a helmet automatically paints someone as wreckless.

I am a bit biased, I have never worn a helmet on a bike or moped, I will admit.
 
hurfdurf said:
I disagree, who is to say he was not testing out a bike to improve his motoring skills and understanding, in a car park, safely. I do not buy the idea that simply being on a bike without a helmet automatically paints someone as wreckless.

I am a bit biased, I have never worn a helmet on a bike or moped, I will admit.
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Pre 1973 I did not either and went over 100mph on occasion. Now I would :)

You are being reckless with your own safety and excluding personal risk are not really a higher insurance risk as most costs are usually third party.

Chances are you could die without a helmet in an incident where you collided at speed with a stationary or mobile object. A tumble off a bike or dropping it at low speeds is quite survivable without, I have come off numerous times with the worst being a broken ankle.

EDIT I should say that it was a slap on the wrist offence and the traffic officer overreacted IMO. A warning would have been enough. Time to buy him a cheap moped and a helmet, then he would be prepared.
 
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Jesus ****ing Christ this thread has got serious, I think a few of you chaps need to back down and stop judging this kid/father. By the time this thread has go to page two he'll be a junkie paedophile all from not wearing a helmet, I know it's a slippery slope but he's no master criminal quite yet.

He's young and did something silly as we all have, and perhaps the policeman could have dealt with it by giving him a warning. Appealing the decision is probably not the best idea as the courts don't like it too much when you do that, unless you can give a genuine defence that is. If you challenge a conviction and you end up being found guilty then the punishment may well be harsher than the fine you were given.
 
hurfdurf said:
How is that going to help him at all? I am sure he has learnt his lesson purely through the experience, putting him through financial hardship of the fine and 3 points on his license increasing his insurance premium helps no one.

I too would want a child of mine to get out of paying the financial punishment, but then, I'm not a spergy internet warrior who thinks punishment infallibly works.
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Lol, 'financial hardship'.

He was caught doing something very stupid, end of.
 
nkata said:
EDIT I should say that it was a slap on the wrist offence and the traffic officer overreacted IMO. A warning would have been enough. Time to buy him a cheap moped and a helmet, then he would be prepared.
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True, except he could given the policeman some lip, bad attitude, or somewhat different circumstances that is written in the op, so perhaps it is warranted.

The fact is, not one of us was there.
 
Brookert said:
Lol, 'financial hardship'.

He was caught doing something very stupid, end of.
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Hurf is right though (other than the financial hardship).

If the kid was riding a bike, safely, in an empty car park, it's not the biggest crime in the world now is it?!

Yes, it's reckless not to have a helmet on. Yes it's a bit of a silly thing given this day and age, but really, a warning would have sufficed here if he was really doing no harm.

I've just come back from Thailand where I spent three weeks and I'd say around half of all scooter riders don't wear helmets (and there's an awful lot of scooters in Thailand!!), I don't really see this as a massive deal. If the Thai can ride scooters in the middle on bangkok, with 3 other people on the back, or three bags of cement, or a big standing desk fan strapped to the back (all of these things I did see, I saw 4 people on a scooter multiple times, including babies) without injuring them selves, I'm sure the OP's lad can drive in a car park safely.

Would be interesting though to get the coppers side of the story, if infact the lad wasn't driving it safely and was making a nuiscance, if that's the case then he deserves the points.
 
4T5 said:
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to post this.



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Can't see it at work! I'll check it out when I get home! :D

Honestly, some of the sites I've seen. A mother an father on a scooter, with the father driving and having a baby on his lap, with a another toddler between the mother and him... The parents wearing helmets, the kids weren't... Saw that so many times. This was in Bangkok too, where traffic just has a mind of it's own. No lane discipline, over taking, undertaking poor roads, crazy traffic systems. Defies belief. However, they do appear to be better drivers in terms of changing lanes (I guess because they do it so often!), checking blind spots etc; There's no real give way system either it's a dog eat dog traffic system from what I could tell!
 
I was a rider when the law came in and it was a major downer for MAG (motorcycle action group) and others to be compelled to wear a helmet (unless you were a sikh :) ).

Many people did not, and it may have reduced speeds not to feel quite so bulletproof on a bike.

However nowadays it is accepted and commonsense. I do not see it as a major offence that some make out though. You are not a danger to others by not wearing a helmet, that is all.
 
Brookert said:
Lol, 'financial hardship'.

He was caught doing something very stupid, end of.
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It's hardly a holiday is it, £60, OK, that's a day wages in a minimum wage job, but its going to increase his insurance premium which is probably going to be unaffordable to begin with, and at what gain? Who has that helped?

If I take a look back at all the illigal things I have done in the past and currently do, no one, not I, not society, nobody would be helped if I get punished for it.
 
contesting may be an even better lesson.

could have accepted he was in the wrong and be done with it.
its very likely it will be a more servere outcome,
two lessons for the price of one..dont contest if you are in the wrong, and ffs, wear a helmet.

i would never dream of going out on my bike (push bike) without a helmet! you never know
 
A public road is where it can be accessed by the public as a right and not by permission. Car parks have been held to be public so I'd be interested to know what kind of car park.
 
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