Brah, do you seriously not look at some of the massively ripped (even natty) bodybuilders who look amazing, having followed a diet of oats, brown rice, wholemeal pittas, meats and veg etc, and think "hey if they can achieve this look with these foods, maybe I'm reading way too much in to all of this"?
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No. Because they live in the prison of having to spend every day working out in the gym. Thats not really a life.
Neither is eating stuff your body isnt adapted for then having to put in additional effort/work at the gym to remove it.
Neither is eating stuff your body isnt adapted for then having to put in additional effort/work at the gym to remove it.
I am sure there are people with serious inbalances in their gut which make it hard to live on that sort of food though. Some may be psychological but I doubt it all is.
For most people I agree all you need is to count calories, watch the macros and get on your feet some more (even that is optional if the first 2 are done right). The hardest bit is always going to be in your head though and if a certain restriction in your diet helps with that who am I to argue.
For most people I agree all you need is to count calories, watch the macros and get on your feet some more (even that is optional if the first 2 are done right). The hardest bit is always going to be in your head though and if a certain restriction in your diet helps with that who am I to argue.
What a horrendously ignorant reply. I'll think you'll find most people actually enjoy going to the gym, it's not a hardship, and only take 1.5hrs out of your day is hardly life-ruining either.
How are they putting additional effort/work in at the gym to remove it? What are they removing? We're talking about people in far better shape than you or I here, these people are adding to their bodies, not removing...........
+1 on strong logic post there, Rikki.
To be fair, the OP's diet seems miserable to me, personally.
But then, all IF approaches seem miserable to me.
It's a question of chosing one's favourite coping mechanism. Atkins? Paleo? IF? SlimFast? WeightWatchers?
All have the same objective in mind, none of them work without consistent effort. The only common denominator between any of them is the will power required to continue the effort.
But very few proponents of new diet regimes will admit that.
But then, all IF approaches seem miserable to me.
It's a question of chosing one's favourite coping mechanism. Atkins? Paleo? IF? SlimFast? WeightWatchers?
All have the same objective in mind, none of them work without consistent effort. The only common denominator between any of them is the will power required to continue the effort.
But very few proponents of new diet regimes will admit that.
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These guys have been working out a lot (far too much imo, though yes it's much better than having a deranged metabolism and insulin resistance).. anyone who is regularly depleating glygogen stores and building muscle is going to have a very lax time with their diet... they can get away with a lot because of this depletion but stuff like wheat and other foods can still do some serious damage to gut health and lead to auto-immune conditions or alzheimers at old age if you rely on glucose for primary fuel for your entire life then at some point stop doing the volume of training that allowed for such a bad diet.
Brown rice and oats are okay, never said they weren't but they're not ideal.
I don't want to get "big" (high reps lower weight)... I just want to focus on longevity and hopefully in the process get stronger/leaner
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To be fair, the OP's diet seems miserable to me, personally.
But then, all IF approaches seem miserable to me.
It's a question of chosing one's favourite coping mechanism. Atkins? Paleo? IF? SlimFast? WeightWatchers?
All have the same objective in mind, none of them work without consistent effort. The only common denominator between any of them is the will power required to continue the effort.
But very few proponents of new diet regimes will admit that.
not denying this... most "diets" are like that. I don't think of it as a diet because I'm not restrictnig myself in any way... grains are not a food group and they are not particularly great sources of nutrients... I don't miss them nor feel deprived... weightwatchers focuses on reducing food, this isn't good for long term health and many of the foods they advocate (low-fat frankenfoods) are devoid of nutrients compared to a whole-foods approach
I don't feel like I need any will-power to continue this as I'm not deprived... I indulge in things from time to time (though never wheat/soy based) that aren't ideal but do not make them a constant fixture in my diet.
IF'ing is definately one of the most enjoyable approaches when you are used to the fasting periods as you don't feel hungry at all... infact you tend to forget to eat (perhaps being a bad thing)... I don't know if tight intermittent fasting schedules are great for us long term but more relaxed ones could be.
Glad you enjoyed it, let me break it down a bit further ...
Most people I know do not enjoy the gym, they may enjoy the benefits it brings but to say they cannot wait to go along and stare at a wall while doing repetative movements for a prolonged period of time is a bit much.
Taking 1.5 hours out of your day is quite a lot in this day and age too (dont know where you're taking that number from but we'll run with it - no pun intended) .
Re: additional work at gym ...
If they are eating grain/starch complex carb based foods types that convert to sugar in the body and bring with the insulin related issues and lead to elevated fat stores then they are going to the gym to help combat the fat they've just put on their body. Bit like getting your car chipped to regain the performance lost because you've just put a load of sand bags in the boot.
If you look at the real hardcore bodybuilders they stick to lean meats and a range of supplements so not the usual oats and stuff you mention and a lot are moving to a paleo style too having seen the benefits.
TL;DR: eating oats and going to the gym is 2 steps forward 1 step back; most people dont enjoy the physical act of gym attendance but the health benefits so by eliminating health problems and reducing or negating gym attendance gives more time for useful activites.
To be fair, the OP's diet seems miserable to me, personally.
But then, all IF approaches seem miserable to me.
It's a question of chosing one's favourite coping mechanism. Atkins? Paleo? IF? SlimFast? WeightWatchers?
All have the same objective in mind, none of them work without consistent effort. The only common denominator between any of them is the will power required to continue the effort.
But very few proponents of new diet regimes will admit that.
Seems that way but works out differently, when your body and mind click and realise the benefits its no longer a hardship. Losing lathargy, eliminating the peaks and troughs of energy and tirdness throughout the day and being more balanced all help.
I don't even...
Not sure if you're being serious or trolling? If you're being serious then wow...
People who go to the gym and don't just sit there playing with their balls while watching Loose Woman on the TVs, or do 50 sets of bicep curls followed by 30 minutes of situps, actually do enjoy the gym. What a retarded comment to make...
****** paleo?! Seriously, do you believe that? Most bodybuilders do exactly the opposite, rice, oats and yes, lean meats. Any contest prep advisor or experienced competitor will tell you that any diet, whether it's off season or pre contest, will always involve oats, always involve brown rice. And that's for someone inexperienced looking to lean up/gain mass, or the most experienced of competitors
Paleo diets are the biggest crock of **** I've ever come across.
Your analogy about the car is pathetic too...
Jesus, I can't even be bothered to finish my reply
Inb4 we see Kai Green condemning brown rice and oats, as real hardcore bodybuilders apparently don't eat stuff like that :X
Inb4 someone posts picture of The Rock massively jacked eating an entire stack of pancakes
Inb4 Arnold admits in his biography that his "every day I'm cumming, in the gym..." speech was a lie and Rikki is right - people hate working out :X
Inb4 someone posts picture of The Rock massively jacked eating an entire stack of pancakes
Inb4 Arnold admits in his biography that his "every day I'm cumming, in the gym..." speech was a lie and Rikki is right - people hate working out :X
I won't argue with either of you as you're epousing nicely what I'm on about.
Having tried the intermittent fasting approach (I have 3-week religious fast in March), I know how the body adjusts. I just don't enjoy the physical apsects of it. By the same token, I've also tried the 20 meals a day-type route, and I don't like that either.
I will pick ice-blazed out on one count, however: grains are a quasi food group that form the basis of a lot of peoples' diets. They are - by comparison to cardboard - relatively nutritious, which is why the ancient Egyptions were quite fond of them.
However, in evolutionary terms, the reliance on grains as a staple is quite new and some people have adapted to it. A bit like most people not of northern European origin suffering from a degree of lactose intolerance.
But to suggest that grains are bad relies entirely on context: as above, they have formed staples for thousands of years, but only recently has obesity as we see aroudn us become a problem. Why? Now that really IS the interesting question.
Put it this way: if grains were genuinely bad, and IF was the only way to fly, everybody not on it would be ill and the size of a small moon. However, a small minority of the population are not wired to deal with them, in the same way that another minority cannot deal with peanuts, eggs, and the silly green leaves that sit on top of food served in posh restaurants.
Horses for courses, birds of a feather, etc.
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never claimed grains were the be all and end all of nutrition problems.. modern grains, wheat in particular that have been genetically modified and/or bred for survival of pesticides and high yield are a totally different animal than the wheat of even a hundred years ago. I personally would not want to base my diet on grains as most people do but I would include them as a significant portion of my diet if there were no better options at the time (money/avaliability).
Nor did I claim that intermittent fasting was the structure of eating everyone should follow... on the contrary, but it can help certain people with certain schedules;- me for example (though I am very loose on the eating window, it's typically just skipping or pushing back slightly the first meal of the day)
Paleo is not what everyone thinks it is, it's not a diet and there are no strict rules to it... you CAN eat whatever you like.. paleo is just a framework to help you identify potential problems and see which whole foods would be likely to benefit your health and minimize the ones that aren't beneficial at that time.
Sometimes change within the paleo-advice sphere is slow, for example the "safe-starches" crap... I think there is a use for cyclic or temporary ketogenic approaches but certain blogs and people just jumped on the "go permanently very-low-carb / keto" bandwagon disregarding any nuances or evidence.
you could say that about grains in comparison to other non-foods... my point was there is nothing in grains that you cannot get from other sources in more bio-availability and less other problematic factors such as gut-irritating proteins [gliadin family].
Nor did I claim that intermittent fasting was the structure of eating everyone should follow... on the contrary, but it can help certain people with certain schedules;- me for example (though I am very loose on the eating window, it's typically just skipping or pushing back slightly the first meal of the day)
Paleo is not what everyone thinks it is, it's not a diet and there are no strict rules to it... you CAN eat whatever you like.. paleo is just a framework to help you identify potential problems and see which whole foods would be likely to benefit your health and minimize the ones that aren't beneficial at that time.
Sometimes change within the paleo-advice sphere is slow, for example the "safe-starches" crap... I think there is a use for cyclic or temporary ketogenic approaches but certain blogs and people just jumped on the "go permanently very-low-carb / keto" bandwagon disregarding any nuances or evidence.
you could say that about grains in comparison to other non-foods... my point was there is nothing in grains that you cannot get from other sources in more bio-availability and less other problematic factors such as gut-irritating proteins [gliadin family].
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religious fast as in the muslim one where you cannot even consume water? Yeah, you're likely to feel like crap on that... I wouldn't attempt that myself either and see it as a very silly thing to do considering my staunch views on religion as one of the major sources of hatred and violence in the world, not even mentioning how obviously man-made, written and brain-washing every single one of our big religions is. Though I'm not dismissing you'd feel bad on real intermittent fasting, you may do, many people probably do.
Well with that one part of your reply I couldnt be bothered responding to the rest.
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Love you guys! 
Anyways ... as I said in my post "Most people I know" so since I dont know Arnie personally cant comment. Im sure a lot of people enjoy cleaning them homes, I dont, I enjoy the benefit of a clean house though at the end of it.
So chillax folks.
Anyways ... as I said in my post "Most people I know" so since I dont know Arnie personally cant comment. Im sure a lot of people enjoy cleaning them homes, I dont, I enjoy the benefit of a clean house though at the end of it.
So chillax folks.
I'll leave the rather large sweeping statement to one side, and your argument if that's ok.
But it does outline a rather interesting background to your train of thought. Thanks for confirming what I suspected.
I'm out.[/DRAGON'S DEN]