What does that have to do with anything? That's a 7 hour shift and a 3 hour shift. Add on opening and closing and that's an 8 hour shift, easy enough to sort out between the full time and part time workers. Either way it's up to the shop to do it. They can easily just open earlier and shut earlier or open later and shut later...
Sunday Trading Laws
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What does that have to do with anything? That's a 7 hour shift and a 3 hour shift. Add on opening and closing and that's an 8 hour shift, easy enough to sort out between the full time and part time workers. Either way it's up to the shop to do it. They can easily just open earlier and shut earlier or open later and shut later...
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I personally think ALL shops should be shut on Sundays
and im not saying that becuase i worked sundays for over a year
and im not saying that becuase i worked sundays for over a year
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And if they remove the sunday trading laws i bet you they will soon stop that! it will be a normal day and they will say you are not entitled to a day off as its "just a normal day now"
Of course some companies will be nice, im talking about the likes of McDonalds, Out of town retailers and other large chains. They are cut-throat in the way they treat staff, or should i say bonded slaves.
If Sunday became a normal day i still would get two days of in the week. We are entitled to two off per week regardless if we work a Sunday or not. Personaly I treat Sunday as a normal day anyway. still do 11 hours on a sunday so nothing different there..
Like it or not this country has a strong religious heritage... Anyone who's got a problem with that shouldn't let the door hit them on the ass on the way out..
Split shifts are common in a lot of industries. So your point is, well, pointless.
Also, who says 1 member of staff has to work both shifts?
Do you have any experience of managing staff hours / resource scheduling? I'm guessing not.
What if your ordinary hours are across the mid-afternoon closing period? If you've got a 60 minute bus ride each way your not going nip home for a bit of lunch. Not as if you can go shopping to kill some time.
If there was no Sunday trading laws would you amend your hours to be closed more on the quiet days and make the most of a Sunday by being open longer?
I'd be amazed if you didn't.
And where exactly are we on the way out to? Not everyone in the uk is religious.
It's got nothing to do with living to work, actually the complete opposite. I personally hate the system we have now where we work 8 hours and have only two days off... It should be far more flexible, for example I would love to do 3 12 hour days and have four days off as standard, or work 10 days and have 4 days off. There are some industries you can do that but most still abide by this idea that people should only work 905 monday to friday. More flexibility is a good thing, as long as there are workers rights to stop some employers going too far.
Wasn't quite the angle I was posting about but I conceded that there are some industries (some of them essential) where having a defined weekend with different limited opening hours isn't convenient for people working in those industries. I was more coming from the angle of non-essential industries pursuing profit and/or catering to short sighted consumer habits.
We do have pretty awesome employee rights in this country and it should be something we look to protect not erode. With things like this a creep effect has a tendancy to occur with the expectation of employees working longer and longer hours, social conditioning to reject people as lazy or workshy who don't live merely to work, employers push to extent the hours a week they can get out of people and/or find more ways to work around it. People having to work increasingly longer hours to live with less and less options for jobs if they won't or going on benefits. In the long term its the benefit of no one except those at the top of the food chain.
To combat the space that's been chopped off? I don't think it's possible, as you walk in the shop you have baskets on the right, steps to the warehouse at 2 o'clock, double doors straight ahead and a door to the left, if you put any stock there then it becomes a trip hazard/fire risk.
What if your ordinary hours are across the mid-afternoon closing period? If you've got a 60 minute bus ride each way your not going nip home for a bit of lunch. Not as if you can go shopping to kill some time.
Who would be silly enough to sign the contract for that? And for those that were already on that contract you'd think a forward thinking shop that changed it's hours would realise the problem and change the contract...
Oh I agree (tho slightly different opinion on hours)... heres what I posted about it on another thread here on the same subject.
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Yes many non-essential industries may be pursuing profit, but then any that competes with abroad has to contend with the fact that somewhere like China is likely paying people a pittance to work 24/7. As has also been previously stated, people working will still get their days off and its entirely down to the company how they handle weekend work.
As for short sighted consumer habits?
Come on, in terms of groceries, people are always going to need food, that will never change. If the Sunday Trading Laws were abolished, it would then be up to each company as to whether they increase their hours, its not compulsory they do. If a Supermarket has a demand to be open all night on a Sunday into Monday morning, then I'm sure they will. If there is little customer trade, then they simply won't.
This is the exact reason why the jobs i'm wanting to end up in tend to have contracts such as 8 weeks on 4 weeks off. I couldn't stand only having 1/2 free days at a time!
I currently work in an industry where those in the office work 9-5 and get better pay and those on the ground work a few weeks on and a few weeks off for worse pay but more international fun as well. Very tempted to just say **** it and take the less pay and more time off even though I'm totally overqualified for the jobs. Two days off a week is a killer, you just can't do anything interesting in that time. At least with 3 days you can start travelling around a bit and have some time at the location you've gone to.
These retail staff should try working in Hospitality, which is exempt from these laws.
Just imagine working 3pm - 11pm on a Saturday night, then having to be at work for 7am on Sunday morning.
Luckily I don't do that any more as I am a Night Manager but even so
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Just imagine working 3pm - 11pm on a Saturday night, then having to be at work for 7am on Sunday morning.
Luckily I don't do that any more as I am a Night Manager but even so
.You don't even get a full day unless you leave the night before! Depends where you want to go. For example I am not a fan of cities. After getting a flight or train to somewhere like Scotland, then the transfer to somewhere interesting you basically have to go back... If you want to be boring and go to Birmingham or Berlin then I'm sure you can get 14 hours of sightseeing in...
Then again this is coming from someone that is having trouble fitting a holiday onto 3 weeks so...