Birmingham Pub Bombings - Justice For The 21

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38 years ago, 21 innocent people from Birmingham were killed on a night out in Birmingham. 6 men were, arrested, charged, found guilty then released as the convictions were ruled unsafe. To this day nothing more has been done to find the people responsible for this atrocity

Paddy Hill, one of the Birmingham 6 has told the Birmingham Sunday Mercury the names of those responsible. They have passed the names to West Midlands Police who also have the names from 2 IRA based books and a World In Action documentary. West Midlands Police STILL refuse to receive open the case.

Julie Hambleton from Justice For The 21 campaign has set up an online petition to get the case reopened, if justice for 21 lives matters to you, please sign it.

Justice for the 21 are on twitter @Justice4the21 feel free to tweet the link to the petition, we need your help, the families need justice. Just think for a minute if it was your family, if it was your city, would you want justice?

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/24443
 
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JonJ678 said:
No. Don't reopen a case from 38 years ago.
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why not ? anyone who thinks this is best left alone I would wager has an ulterior motive for thinking so ..if this had happened in your town ...to your people ? these are a couple of quotes from a local news report last week


..it was there that I took a flash picture of Birmingham fireman Ralph Dawes with a young lad in shirtsleeves who were carrying bodies in red canvas sheets.

I saw many people fleeing in all directions from the devastation caused by the bombs, which exploded within two minutes of each other. There was a young lady in a bloodstained dress sitting stunned on a kerbstone outside the Odeon Cinema.

At the entrance of the cinema a number 90 Birmingham Corporation bus with a destination blind showing Pheasey Estate Great Barr who had just stopped to pick up passengers. The extreme force of the blast caused all the windows of the bus to be blown out injuring many people.

There wasn't a shop window in New Street leading from the Rotunda to Corporation Street which wasn't affected. I recall vividly the numerous burglar alarms which were set off and the flashing blue emergency lights of the convoy of fire engines and ambulances.

At one stage the ambulances were stuck in the congestion. The black cabs came to the rescue by ferrying some of the injured to the General Hospital in Steelhouse Lane.


Mum was contacted by the police and I remember being told when I came home from school with my sister. The police were fantastic. Because of the severity of her injuries, they believed she was standing right next to the bomb. She was identified by her fingernails because she used to bite them.


yeah your probably right, we should just let it go ..not in a million years, if the police wont stand up for the people of Birmingham, then the public have to
 
Is it possible that the police still believe they got the right folks first time and that is why they are doing nothing ? (no expert on the subject though)
 
Whoever did it is most likely very old and likely to not live any longer, it will not give the family any more closure after all this time, it will reopen old wounds that should be left alone, we are attempting to place that conflict in the past and part of that is forgiveness and leaving it in the past, and so many more reasons which I am sure are on the minds of those who make such decisions who have far more information than us to make the appropriate decision.
 
Rotty said:
Is it possible that the police still believe they got the right folks first time and that is why they are doing nothing ? (no expert on the subject though)
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thats one train of thought, there are others that dont involve the 6 though, I understand and respect that view you mention, it is a theory mentioned previously, although there are several other lines of enquiry that the police could follow
 
williams210809 said:
thats one train of thought, there are others that dont involve the 6 though, I understand and respect that view you mention, it is a theory mentioned previously, although there are several other lines of enquiry that the police could follow
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not saying it's my thoughts, I don't know enough about it, just something I thought could be a possible explanation for them doing nothing
 
Really sickening stuff to read about, and to think there are still a few morons trying to get it all going again. :(

As for re-opening the case, if there is sufficient evidence to likely produce more convictions then it should absolutely be re-opened.
 
williams210809 said:
38 years ago, 21 innocent people from Birmingham were killed on a night out in Birmingham. 6 men were, arrested, charged, found guilty then released as the convictions were ruled unsafe. To this day nothing more has been done to find the people responsible for this atrocity

Paddy Hill, one of the Birmingham 6 has told the Birmingham Sunday Mercury the names of those responsible. They have passed the names to West Midlands Police who also have the names from 2 IRA based books and a World In Action documentary. West Midlands Police STILL refuse to receive open the case.

Julie Hambleton from Justice For The 21 campaign has set up an online petition to get the case reopened, if justice for 21 lives matters to you, please sign it.

Justice for the 21 are on twitter @Justice4the21 feel free to tweet the link to the petition, we need your help, the families need justice. Just think for a minute if it was your family, if it was your city, would you want justice?

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/24443
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Signed up to forum just for this?

38 years ago - no care.
 
WrathOfAchilles said:
Signed up to forum just for this?

38 years ago - no care.
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So what's the cut off for a crime in your eyes then? 1 year, 10 years? It took a few weeks to track down conspirators of 7/7 bombers perhaps that was too long to matter anymore.

The bombings were an attrocity in all senses of the word, the Police were given via a call to a local newspaper, six minutes warning and a vague location for the first bomb at The Mulberry Bush and The Tavern In Town was in the process of being cleared when the bomb there went off 10 minutes later.

Aside from the direct effect of the dead and injured it also drastically affected relations with the large Irish population settled in Brum, the lack of trust took years to repair.

Time is no barrier to prosecution, if suspects are found and evidence presented in court convinces a jury of guilt it doesn't matter how long ago the crime took place. I feel exactly the same way about Bloody Sunday, if an ex member of the armed forces is found to have commited a crime with enough evidence to present the case before the courts, then it should be done.
 
Is there any actual evidence or just hear say and conjecture?

Seriously doubt the police would ignore it if there was actual evidence supplied to them on the case and not just a list of names of "who dunnit".

Would be like if the police rounded up everyone on the list Schofield gave to the PM on tv...
 
pingwing said:
Is there any actual evidence or just hear say and conjecture?

Seriously doubt the police would ignore it if there was actual evidence supplied to them on the case and not just a list of names of "who dunnit".

Would be like if the police rounded up everyone on the list Schofield gave to the PM on tv...
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There is some conjecture that West Midlands Police have little interest in reopening because the whole case is tied in with the corruption and illegal activities of the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad who are the ones that allegedly 'fitted up' the Birmingham Six. To this day West Midlands Police have never fully acknowledged the extent of the activities of the squad and the bombing case would force them to do just that.
 
They should reopen the case asap. Thinking about it I may contact the new police commissioner see what he can do.
 
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