*** Official Nintendo Wii U thread ***

hilly said:
Bolded the interesting bit:

That fact that the Wii U is only slightly more powerful than two systems which are now very old hat, for me smacks of small mindness. The xbox is 7 years old in a couple of weeks for starters. Surely if you create a new console and your nearest competitor is nearly 7 years old, surely you should up the tech specs a considerable amount to show the difference and "wow" us.

I'm not wowed with the Wii U, in fact, it's falling into the same bracket as the original Wii where I think Nintendo got the specs of that machine vastly wrong too.
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Can I ask a question? Does graphics = better? You seem to be suggesting better graphics/power = better experience? If the WiiU could throw out Quad HD graphics and 200fps, would that make it a better?

Nintendo have never been about bleeding edge graphics, but instead game play (and their controllers).

A Wii with graphics as good (or better) than the current consoles, with possibly innovative game play (controls) is more interesting to me than pointless graphics/CPU performance figures TBH.
 
nands said:
Sorry, links below:-

Nintendo saying Wii will be wiped after transfer.

How to back up.

I don't see that the saved games is an issue, the odd thing I suppose will be the Wii with no Miis on it as they won't get backed up.

The more I think about it the more this is annoying. It is like Nintendo saying that once you buy the Wii U and transfer you may as well throw the Wii in the bin!
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So if you back up your Wii's data, then do a transfer to the WiiU, then put the Wii's data back again? You'd end up with both devices witht he save games etc?
 
NeilFawcett said:
Can I ask a question? Does graphics = better? You seem to be suggesting better graphics/power = better experience? If the WiiU could throw out Quad HD graphics and 200fps, would that make it a better?

Nintendo have never been about bleeding edge graphics, but instead game play (and their controllers).

A Wii with graphics as good (or better) than the current consoles, with possibly innovative game play (controls) is more interesting to me than pointless graphics/CPU performance figures TBH.
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No, graphics are not the be all and end all; However of course they make a difference. When the Wii came out the graphics were awful and for me it missed the boar as developers weren't keen on porting over the bigger releases, firstly because they physically couldn't in terms of hardware and secondly because it would take so much coding.

Theres no doubt that in terms of design, it's a good idea. It's something new. When the original Wii came out, the idea of having a motion + pointing device was ground breaking, but the console failed for the hardcore gamers. Although it sold incredibly well, who honestly still uses theirs more than their xbox 360, or PS3?

The point I'm tryign to make, is that at the moment it's in the lead in terms of performance, but with the rivals seeminly appearing to be releasing their next gen of consoles soon. Then I think the Wii U will get gobbled up.
 
NeilFawcett said:
So if you back up your Wii's data, then do a transfer to the WiiU, then put the Wii's data back again? You'd end up with both devices witht he save games etc?
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I think so, but if it were that easy why would Nintendo not just copy them? I cannot find any other info.
 
hilly said:
No, graphics are not the be all and end all; However of course they make a difference. When the Wii came out the graphics were awful and for me it missed the boar as developers weren't keen on porting over the bigger releases, firstly because they physically couldn't in terms of hardware and secondly because it would take so much coding.

Theres no doubt that in terms of design, it's a good idea. It's something new. When the original Wii came out, the idea of having a motion + pointing device was ground breaking, but the console failed for the hardcore gamers. Although it sold incredibly well, who honestly still uses theirs more than their xbox 360, or PS3?

The point I'm tryign to make, is that at the moment it's in the lead in terms of performance, but with the rivals seeminly appearing to be releasing their next gen of consoles soon. Then I think the Wii U will get gobbled up.
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Here we go with these pesky "hardcore gamers" again :rolleyes:

But note the sentence you followed it with...


I don't think Nintendo aim to compete on the X million polygons, with octo- trifiltering with shader model 55 territory... They compete on a slightly different front console/game wise. Maybe it's simply not "hardcore" enough for some.

The price will raise eyebrows initially, but consider in a year or two when XBox and Sony bring out their next offerings, and the Wii U has been out for year(s) and is £100+ cheaper!? Might still do well!
 
NeilFawcett said:
Here we go with these pesky "hardcore gamers" again :rolleyes:

But note the sentence you followed it with...


I don't think Nintendo aim to compete on the X million polygons, with octo- trifiltering with shader model 55 territory... They compete on a slightly different front console/game wise. Maybe it's simply not "hardcore" enough for some.

The price will raise eyebrows initially, but consider in a year or two when XBox and Sony bring out their next offerings, and the Wii U has been out for year(s) and is £100+ cheaper!? Might still do well!
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If Nintendo don't gear towards all type of gamers, then it's a poor decision for me; They did exactly the same for the Wii and although it sold well, extrodinarily well infact, the problem with the Wii is that it became old hat quite quickly. Without the bigger games being on the Wii (mainly due to hardware limitations) then people just weren't using their Wii's any more. These "hardcore" gamers are gamers from the ages of 14 or so upwards I'd reckon. Nintendo then would have to aim below that age, or have a slight overlap. It's a small window of the market to aim in.

Everyone wanted one to begin with as it was new, it was exciting, but how many on this forum still use theirs regually? How many sold theirs on? I'd imagine it would be a reasonably high percentage.

Hopefully Nintendo prove me wrong and give Sony and MS a run for their money - Competition breeds innovation after all.
 
hilly said:
They did exactly the same for the Wii and although it sold well, extrodinarily well infact, the problem with the Wii is that it became old hat quite quickly. Without the bigger games being on the Wii (mainly due to hardware limitations) then people just weren't using their Wii's any more.
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The fact it sold so well shows it was doing something right surely?

I understand what you're saying, and I'm confused why the WiiU isn't a good step above say the XBox, but I suspect they know what they're doing... Maybe it is a lot more powerful than we suspect?

Or more likely, it's simply powerful enough for the next 4 years of gaming... Yes the new Xbox and PS3 will out shine it, but again, I don't think Nintendo aim to compete in that "more extreme" market.

Consider "Colonial Marines" for example. You can buy it on the XBox 720, which has slightly better graphics than the WiiU (& some other bells&whistles). Or you can buy it for the cheaper WiiU, which also features the movement tracker on a rather funky controller on your lap? :) I suspect many people would prefer the latter...
 
hilly said:
but the console failed for the hardcore gamers. Although it sold incredibly well, who honestly still uses theirs more than their xbox 360, or PS3?
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I have a Wii, but don't have a xbox or ps3. Nor am I ever likely to buy a console of that type as I have my PC that kicks either of those machines bottoms any day of the week. I still use my Wii aswell.

Nintendo don't aim for hardcore gamer console market, they do have to compete with their very own Wii though, and unfortunetly I think the vast majority of those that bought the Wii don't need the WiiU. Hell, the only way I would get one is if they knock out a WiiU exclusive brand new Mario Kart and Mario game.
 
NeilFawcett said:
The fact it sold so well shows it was doing something right surely?

I understand what you're saying, and I'm confused why the WiiU isn't a good step above say the XBox, but I suspect they know what they're doing... Maybe it is a lot more powerful than we suspect?

Or more likely, it's simply powerful enough for the next 4 years of gaming... Yes the new Xbox and PS3 will out shine it, but again, I don't think Nintendo aim to compete in that "more extreme" market.

Consider "Colonial Marines" for example. You can buy it on the XBox 720, which has slightly better graphics than the WiiU (& some other bells&whistles). Or you can buy it for the cheaper WiiU, which also features the movement tracker on a rather funky controller on your lap? :) I suspect many people would prefer the latter...
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Agreed, it did do something well. It sold well purely because of the technology of the pointer involved. It was new, nothing anyone has seen before. But that's now been eclipsed by the Kinect and the PS Eye. What's to keep you going back to the Wii? Not much. It looks dated and it's gimmick is now bettered on all systems.

Hopefully it is a lot more powerful, absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Nintendo hater. I bought a Wii, I still have a gamecube and N64. I had a NES, a SNES etc; I just love games. But I don't see the logic in bringing something out which is only one step ahead of the game, rather than a number of steps. What I mean by that is take a car for example. You have a basic design which is 5 years old (the A3/4 for example) and you just touch up the interior and have a slight difference to the exterior. But you aren't really doing much more than that; Compare to their competitors who have risen above that "new" offering and are selling their cars for the same price, but a better package. That's what I'm trying to get at.

i think by not aiming for all sections of the market is a bit short sighted personally.

Many people could well indeed prefer the latter; But if the xbox version has full kinect support, then maybe they'd just ignore Nintendo's offering?
 
hilly said:
Bolded the interesting bit:

That fact that the Wii U is only slightly more powerful than two systems which are now very old hat, for me smacks of small mindness. The xbox is 7 years old in a couple of weeks for starters. Surely if you create a new console and your nearest competitor is nearly 7 years old, surely you should up the tech specs a considerable amount to show the difference and "wow" us.

I'm not wowed with the Wii U, in fact, it's falling into the same bracket as the original Wii where I think Nintendo got the specs of that machine vastly wrong too.
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Nintendo only care about profits and making their first party games.

Nintendo have stated they only have to sell 1 game for the Wii U to be profitable, so as licence fee's will be fairly small they can't be losing much per console.

I do think they should have gone for faster memory and a better CPU though, that's going to really affect them getting multi-platform games from Sony/Microsoft's new consoles.
 
I think a lot of people don't want to pay for every console now and just own one. Gaming as a collecting hobby is really hard for me right now with the cost of everything else but I always make sure I get the consoles from the major players. I've ordered the Zombi U premium bundle and will probably pick up the sonic karting and super mario with it.
 
Broken Hope said:
Nintendo have stated they only have to sell 1 game for the Wii U to be profitable, so as licence fee's will be fairly small they can't be losing much per console.
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So if only one person in the world goes out and buys a WiiU, and then buys a single game, they're in profit?

I detect something wrong! :rolleyes:
 
I have to say colonial marines sounds epic but hopefully they have actualy moved the physics over to the gpgpu like they should.....
And like no one else is doing..
 
I do wish the system was more powerful but feel already that you do not need to be cpu limited when coding games. Nintendo tend to use less super hd textures and a more basic set of colours in their own games though so maybe we will get a nice looking 3d mario and zelda within a year and a half.
 
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