Duchess of Cambridge's nurse has reportedly been found dead

[estebanrey]

Make a prank call, recipient commits suicide (which is, by the way, currently speculation). Who honestly thinks that is a likely outcome of such a thing? Really? Honestly?

As I said, if you think you can make one of the most exclusive hospitals in London look like idiots and not consider the possibility that people would lose their jobs over it you are just naive at best, a moron at worst. Whilst they may not have thought she would kill herself, they must have known they were possibly ending her career with that call.

The people who are saying it was just a "harmless prank" are being extremely naive if they think the hospital management would take that view and just laugh about it.

The best this prank was ever going to do was get someone fired and make them a global laughing stock. The chance they may then suffer depression or harm themselves is a pretty clear logical step from there.

I would defend the pranksters more if they'd been two unknown guys trying to make a Youtube video as at least they would have the excuse they had no idea it would go global, but two radio presenters (who know exactly how the industry works and the consequences it would likely get international coverage) should have known better.

 

[cainer]

The receptionist passed on a phone call to someone else. I can't even see how that was a sackable offence, let alone something to commit suicide over. Plus, she's hardly been scrutinised by the media over this.

no, there was confusion about this for a while but now it seems it was the nurse who gave the info away that commited suicide, not the receptionist who passed the call to the nurse, i have updated the OP with the latest news to show this

 

[Russinating]

The receptionist passed on a phone call to someone else. I can't even see how that was a sackable offence, let alone something to commit suicide over. Plus, she's hardly been scrutinised by the media over this.

I'm as confident as anyone else that this suicide had sod all to do with the call.

She should have authorised the call or not passed it on at all as far as I'm aware.

My girlfriend is a student midwife and they can't transfer calls or give out any information whatsoever. If a husband calls up they have to get the woman to call him back. Rules differ per hospital and trust though, but I can't imagine them being wildly different especially when there's royalty involved.

 

[Cool Breeze]

If she was offed, why? I agree the media will stir up a wirl wind with what ever BS they are spoon fed, but offed? doesn't make sense.

 

[McGray]

Contract kill.

Lizards running amok.

 

[BunnyKillBot]

The people who are saying it was just a harmless prank" are...

Retards. Since when has social engineering been a 'prank'? These techniques are used all the time by criminals to gain access to personal, confidential information, and people actually want to bandy about the word 'prank'.

 

[RDM]

She may have been, and this may have tipped her over. But even if that's reported as truth, it is extremely convenient.

How is it extremely convenient? Not sure someone committing suicide is convenient.

 

[NeilF]

Why?

If they hadn't made the call she wouldn't have taken her own life, no?

So if I advertise a job, someone turns up and I don't give it to them, and they commit suicide? I'm to blame?

It was a silly prank, which obviously has had an unforeseen and very sad outcome. Not the pranksters fault, although undoubtedly they will now feel to blame in some fashion!

 

[LeMson]

This is sad, poor nurse ;(

 

[Russinating]

BBC royal correspondent Peter Hunt said he understood Mrs Saldanha was the person who answered the call from the Australian DJs and was not the nurse who discussed the duchess's medical condition.

So it was the 'receptionist' for the sake of this argument, but she was a nurse (but not THE nurse).

 

[doofer]

I can't believe anyone would commit suicide over a prank call.

There must be something else to this.

I'd wager it is more to do with the disciplinary wrath of a deeply humiliated middle-class Management. I bet she was suspended from work and threatened with not only losing her job and income, but being struck completely from the medical profession under jumped-up patient confidentiality issues, mainly to do with the status of said patient.

 

[Amleto]

It means you're dumb.

Jeeze.

notsureifserious

 

[Freefaller]

I wasn't trying to get a rise at all. I don't see how it's ignorant, care to explain why you'd think that.

I think that, because taking your own life is something so desperate that someone does to escape whatever troubles they are going through. You have to be in such a bad state, in such a troubled and tormented mindset to think about doing it - the effect it has on people around you. I'm not saying it isn't selfish, but weak willed? You cannot judge someone's emotional capacity based on your own, deep rooted protection mechanisms. What seems trivial to you, could potentially be the end of the world for someone else. Not all are equal in that respect. Sure, compared to you they may well be less able to cope with stress and anxiety, but to get the nerve to end your life takes a very serious bout of depression or anxiety or guilt or anything really. This has nothing to do with being weak willed - and I for one would never wish any form of anxiety/depression on that level to anyone as it is a very very dark place, and very difficult (and in some cases impossible, even with medication) to break out of.

That is why there is so much medical research based on anxiety and depression - it's not just something that can be cured with a pill - it's a deep rooted problem that can affect even the toughest resolve. It doesn't mean you are weak willed at all. The strongest, most stubborn and toughest minds can crumble to such an affliction - don't assume because you feel indestructible mentally that it cannot happen to you either.

 

[randal]

She may have been, and this may have tipped her over. But even if that's reported as truth, it is extremely convenient.

I don't consider myself a conspiracy theory person, but when secret agents get offed and stuffed in a bag, and the media then puts it about he zipped himself in that bag cause he was in to some weird sex game stuff, then i start to wonder, what the hell do i know.

It is incredibly convenient, then again we don't know how much she's been hounded by the UK press over the matter and it could have been enough to tip someone over the edge. I just find it all incredibly difficult to take at face value when she's been there for 4 years and presumably skilled enough to handle difficult lines of questioning and sensitive matters in a reputable hospital that probably has many high profile patients. Not to mention the fact she's a mother to two children, and to take your life knowing the effect it'll have on them... I dunno. I just struggle to imagine someone bowing to the pressure/embarrassment on the strength of that alone.

Lets suppose for a moment, the conspiracy theory is true (a dangerous thing in GD). What would the person ordering the "suicide" have as their reason for doing so? To silence her from selling a story? Teach her a lesson?

 

[Ahleckz]

I'd wager it is more to do with the disciplinary wrath of a deeply humiliated middle-class Management. I bet she was suspended from work and threatened with not only losing her job and income, but being struck completely from the medical profession under jumped-up patient confidentiality issues, mainly to do with the status of said patient.

The BBC understands Mrs Saldanha had not been suspended or disciplined by the hospital.

The hospital said in a statement: "We can confirm that Jacintha was recently the victim of a hoax call to the hospital.

"The hospital had been supporting her throughout this difficult time."

Or, it has nothing to do with the call and she was having other problems outwith work?

 

[Twirlywoos]

It's the work of the Illuminati.

 

[randal]

How is it extremely convenient? Not sure someone committing suicide is convenient.

I don't think that's what Lysander meant, I think he was implying the whole saddening affair is too coincidental.

 

[V F]

As I said, if you think you can make one of the most exclusive hospitals in London look like idiots and not consider the possibility that people would lose their jobs over it you are just naive at best, a moron at worst. Whilst they may not have thought she would kill herself, they must have known they were possibly ending her career with that call.

The people who are saying it was just a "harmless prank" are being extremely naive if they think the hospital management would take that view and just laugh about it.

The best this prank was ever going to do was get someone fired and make them a global laughing stock. The chance they may then suffer depression or harm themselves is a pretty clear logical step from there.

I would defend the pranksters more if they'd been two unknown guys trying to make a Youtube video as at least they would have the excuse they had no idea it would go global, but two radio presenters (who know exactly how the industry works and the consequences it would likely get international coverage) should have known better.

It's so sad that so many people enjoy the failing of others.

 

[Lysander]

If you work in a hospital you have to deal with a lot of crap. A lot.

A prank call is the least of your worries.

 

[estebanrey]

So if I advertise a job, someone turns up and I don't give it to them, and they commit suicide? I'm to blame?

Because that's the same as what happened here isn't it?

I could ask just as a ridiculous question at the other extreme "If I bullied someone everyday, called them names and constantly harassed them and they killed themselves. Am I to blame?"