Duchess of Cambridge's nurse has reportedly been found dead

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It had no impact on anyones career. The phone call was made "as a joke" , and it was a joke. How the hell it was treated as seriously as it was IS a question worth looking at but that doesn't make the DJs responsible for the inept way their questions were answered.
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So pranksters have the right to play a joke on anyone? When ringing the hospital in question what do you think they where trying to obtain? Laughs?? But what was to laugh about by ringing and enquiring about someone suffering hyperemesis? What about any of that is funny? Just to see if they could? And when they did to play the tape showing a nurse breaking all the confidentiality rules surely put her job at risk. Plus they had the chance not to use the tape, as it was pre recorded.
 
I believe that the Australian Communications and Media Authority specifically prohibits the broadcast by radio stations of private conversations; it seems odd that 2day FM's lawyers were unaware of this :confused:

Incidentally, does anyone know whether Lord Justice Leveson has made any comment on this particular example of the media serving the public interest during his current trip to Sydney?
 
SteveOBHave said:
Why because I expressed an opinion that I think that someone killing themselves without consideration for their family over something as trivial as making an honest mistake is a thoroughly stupid thing to do?
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Given that it would be a thoroughly stupid thing to do would that not perhaps be a strong indicator that it wasn't trivial and that there was more to this than just the silly mistake perhaps?

Maybe her job was at risk? (regardless of the press release by the hospital) Maybe she wasn't in the country legally and was paranoid about the press hounding her, publishing her details.... Maybe there were other things going on with her life and this just compounded things...
 
SteveOBHave said:
A lot of maybes
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well exactly... we don't know the full picture - there could have been anything going on in her life and the incident could have had any number of effects on her

The assumption that it was all hunky dory otherwise and that she was obviously just a silly person to have done this after a silly prank is a bit unlikely. You can see that that scenario is absurd, at face value, yet your conclusion from that is therefore the nurse was stupid rather than the conclusion that there was probably more to the situation.
 
rotters said:
So pranksters have the right to play a joke on anyone? When ringing the hospital in question what do you think they where trying to obtain? Laughs?? But what was to laugh about by ringing and enquiring about someone suffering hyperemesis? What about any of that is funny? Just to see if they could? And when they did to play the tape showing a nurse breaking all the confidentiality rules surely put her job at risk. Plus they had the chance not to use the tape, as it was pre recorded.
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Yes, laughs. Their accents were horrible. It was an obvious prank. Its not their fault they got past the first level of security.

Again, the girl that killed herself WASNT the girl that gave all the secrets away, it was the girl who answered the phone.
 
dowie said:
well exactly... we don't know the full picture - there could have been anything going on in her life and the incident could have had any number of effects on her

The assumption that it was all hunky dory otherwise and that she was obviously just a silly person to have done this after a silly prank is a bit unlikely. You can see that that scenario is absurd, at face value, yet your conclusion from that is therefore the nurse was stupid rather than the conclusion that there was probably more to the situation.
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No my conclusion is that she was stupid to end her life regardless of the circumstance.
 
SteveOBHave said:
No my conclusion is that she was stupid to end her life regardless of the circumstance.
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OK, if in your view suicide is always a stupid option then fair enough. Your previous post that I quoted didn't state that though and indicated that you thought it was stupid to do so over something so trivial - I'm just pointing out that its unlikely it was trivial... people don't tend to kill themselves over trivial things, there was likely more to it.
 
dowie said:
OK, if in your view suicide is always a stupid option then fair enough. Your previous post that I quoted didn't state that though and indicated that you thought it was stupid to do so over something so trivial - I'm just pointing out that its unlikely it was trivial... people don't tend to kill themselves over trivial things, there was likely more to it.
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Actually it normally is a trivial item that triggers a suicide attempt. When people reach the point that suicide becomes an option they are so far down the emotional health scale that they lose the ability to deal with minor bumps in the road so that burning a piece of toast becomes a major deal and may push somebody over the edge so they decide to go and jump in front of a train.

Taken from a Samaritans training course on dealing with suicidal contacts.

Its very likely that this nurse was in a bad place and the call and reaction after whilst minor proved too much.
 
My point is that it likely isn't just the trivial item (if we're assuming it was trivial)... that there would likely be more to it... as you say the trivial item acting as a trigger for example. There could have been any number of things going wrong in her life - and/or this event might not have been as trivial as it seems.
 
dowie said:
My point is that it likely isn't just the trivial item (if we're assuming it was trivial)... that there would likely be more to it... as you say the trivial item acting as a trigger for example. There could have been any number of things going wrong in her life - and/or this event might not have been as trivial as it seems.
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What if the trivial thing was the fella in the coffee shop forgetting to put sugar in that persons morning drink? Should they then be vilified for causing this person to commit suicide? Not targeting this question at you, just a general parallel observation.
 
SteveOBHave said:
What if the trivial thing was the fella in the coffee shop forgetting to put sugar in that persons morning drink? Should they then be vilified for causing this person to commit suicide? Not targeting this question at you, just a general parallel observation.
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Nope, and this is the point, if you go back minute by minute through the last day of someone who committed suicide you can find a negative "encounter", dodgy barrista, train conductor who leaves just as you get to the doors, being rejected when asking someone out, etc, etc.... and placing blame on that person is mental.

Everyone has someone be rude/mean to them, and everyone is rude/mean to someone at some time, the isolated incidents really don't mean anything, persistant harrassement by an individual or group is entirely another thing, and no I don't think the press count in this situation in a short space of time. What if you went back through 6 months, what if the same barrista gave her the wrong drink every other day, is he more to blame? It's her decision to kill herself, there is no logical line from prank call, or a bad coffee, to killing yourself as a sensible response, and trying to draw that line now is even more illogical.

Ultimately if anyone was pressuring her, it was the press being overly invasive, or potentially her fear of them being overly invasive in her life in the future. But its that same over reacting, story generating Daily Mail style reporting that is both hounding the DJ's in Aussie, AND scaring off pathetic advertisers who fear bad publicity(even if its completely made up because reporters are bored of looking for real stories).

If anything its the press over reacting and generating bad public opinion over nothing that could be blamed for both her suicide AND the DJ's losing their job.

The story could have been, "couple wind up merchants make prank call, lol, next story", but instead they decide to make a non event massive news for no particular reason.

Anyway that is all POTENTIALLY a reason she might have been pushed over the edge, it could have been some other incident that day. Maybe a boyfriend, husband, girlfriend told her they were leaving her that morning? Maybe she was being harrassed in work and maybe either the husband or hospital don't really want to go public and so are making an effort to blame someone else... most people do this, because people don't ever want to think of themselves to blame.


Basically I put the chance of her being a completely happy, healthy person who killed herself as a reaction to this call alone at 0.0001%, and the chance of her being desparately unhappy person, who was on the brink of doing it anyway and may well have taken this as the last straw, but not being invited to a party next tuesday, or a guy she liked hooking up with someone else at the work xmas party, being taken as the last straw and killing herself in a week or two should the prank call have not happened was pretty damn high.
 
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x1000 What drunkenmaster said.

Thats why I lolled at the DJs being blamed/hounded. They may have been a catalyst, but if someone is unstable enough to kill themselves, then anything could have been.

The way the media plastered the call all over the news for instance. That was worse than the initial prank if you ask me. As the pranksters are being dealt with, yet the media still have free reign to play it over and over and over again. Good job!

But in the end, The woman killed herself. If she was willing to do so, any reason was a good reason to her.
 
Quite agree. Getting a grip and contextualising the situation seems to be a bit of a weak point of both the general public and the media. I'm amazed at how deamonised these two DJs have become.
 
arknor said:
actually it is.

My sister had someone knocking on her door and causing trouble, her BF punched the guy and he died.

My sisters bf was in prison on remand for a few weeks before being released without charge
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That was most likely self defence completely different to the eggshell skull rule when someone acts unprovoked.
 
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