How long before Intel catches up with AMD/Nvidia

Martini1991 · 10 Dec 2012 at 01:56

I don't specifically mean it'll be an Intel GPU, I assumed you would have grasped that from me mentioning clovertrail.
I have no real interest, but it's very short sighted to say they're too far behind, while also saying they'll possibly catch up with Haswell (Which we'll see H1 2013), not that I don't think AMD will soon take back the crown, but you'll have practically ignored them making ground in that area to catch up, given how far behind they were when Llano launched.

EDIT : But then we could have the next APU having a 10" wang compared to Haswells 6" and destroying it. It's exciting isn't it?

d_brennen · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:07

Intel are the undisputed number one in desktop/mobile GPU sales, bar none, and have been for years

humbug · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:07

Martini1991 said:
I don't specifically mean it'll be an Intel GPU, I assumed you would have grasped that from me mentioning clovertrail.
I have no real interest, but it's very short sighted to say they're too far behind, while also saying they'll possibly catch up with Haswell (Which we'll see H1 2013), not that I don't think AMD will soon take back the crown, but you'll have practically ignored them making ground in that area to catch up, given how far behind they were when Llano launched.

This thread is about Intel catching up, When you say "Wouldn't say their too far behind, they have the money and resources" who are you talking about if not Intel? I was talking about Intel when you used that line to respond to me, who did you think i was talking about?

I'm not ignoring it, the step up from HD 3000 to HD 4000 is about the same as Llano vs Trinity, only its still behind Llano.
I don't see any big shift there while Trinity and Llano are both based on old tech.

@ d_brennen, its attached to every CPU they sell, so of course it is... people don't buy the CPU for the iGPU.

Martini1991 · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:11

humbug said:
This thread is about Intel catching up, When you say "Wouldn't say their too far behind, they have the money and resources" who are you talking about if not Intel? I was talking about Intel when you used that line to respond to me, who did you think i was talking about?

I'm not ignoring it, the step up from HD 3000 to HD 4000 is about the same as Llano vs Trinity, only its still behind Llano.
I don't see any big shift there while Trinity and Llano are both based on old tech.

@ d_brennen, its attached to every CPU they sell, so of course it is...

It doesn't have to be an Intel GPU attached to their CPU, thus them being behind in IGP performance would be irrelevant if they're not using their IGP, thus the company wouldn't be behind in IGP performance in their CPU's, the money and resources would go hand in hand with this.
Like Clovetrail.

Obviously, I'm speculating, but you're way too narrow minded.

humbug · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:14

Martini1991 said:
It doesn't have to be an Intel GPU attached to their CPU, thus them being behind in IGP performance would be irrelevant if they're not using their IGP, thus the company wouldn't be behind in IGP performance in their CPU's, the money and resources would go hand in hand with this.
Like Clovetrail.

Obviously, I'm speculating, but you're way too narrow minded.

Clovetrail? who are they? I have never heard of them, do they make GPUs?
If so how do they compare to Nvidia and AMD?

Martini1991 · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:16

humbug said:
Clovetrail? who are they? I have never heard of them, do they make GPUs?
If so how do they compare to Nvidia and AMD?

/Facepalm.

d_brennen · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:20

humbug said:
@ d_brennen, its attached to every CPU they sell, so of course it is... people don't buy the CPU for the iGPU.

Yes quite. I was merely pointing out that Intel sell more GPUs than Nvidia and AMD put together, several times over. I wouldn't like to rely on Intel drivers for cutting edge gaming though

Martini1991 · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:21

The only one with pretend high intellectualism is you.
Clovertrail is a SOC, it's Intels X86 Atom.
It uses a PowerVR series 5 GPU.

If you ask who PowerVR are, while calling me an idiot, you better be prepared for some mighty flaming.

humbug · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:25

Martini1991 said:
The only one with pretend high intellectualism is you.
Clovertrail is a SOC, it's Intels X86 Atom.
It uses a PowerVR series 5 GPU.

If you ask who PowerVR are, while calling me an idiot, you better be prepared for some mighty flaming.

Last i heard Atom was not much good, does the iGPU in that compare any better to Trinity?

Who are PowerVR?

Martini1991 · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:26

humbug said:
Last i heard Atom was not much good, does the iGPU in that compare any better to Trinity?

who are PowerVR?

Lets just stop this.

humbug · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:28

Martini1991 said:
Lets just stop this.

Stop what?

Its a simple question, are you saying the iGPU in Atom is as good as Trinity or not?

Martini1991 · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:29

humbug said:
Stop what?

Its a simple question, are you saying the iGPU in Atom is as good as Trinity or not?

Like I say, I'll leave it now.

EDIT : I'm not even sure how you've interpreted anything I've said to suggest the PowerVR chip being better than Trinity, I didn't even compare them at all.

d_brennen · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:48

Jeez, PowerVR were one of the movers and shakers in PC gaming hardware not so long ago. At least it doesn't feel that long

If one game company was singled out as the best company to push 3D graphical gaming into everyday language, id Software and its uber-game Quake is, without a doubt, the combo that everyone knows.

NEC knows that and today it announced that the Quake series of titles will support the company's PowerVR chipset through the use of the OpenGL API.

"By working with id Software on the hottest titles on the market, PowerVR is able to provide gamers with superior 3D graphics technology while delivering an extraordinary gaming experience," said Charles Bellfield, product marketing manager, multimedia strategic business unit, NEC Electronics.

So now, 3Dfx owners aren't the only ones to enjoy the benefits of GLQuake. GameSpot News has seen GL Quake running in 1024x768 on the PowerVR, and although it isn't as visually stunning as the 3Dfx, it is amazing to see it running with more screen space.

Clover Trail will at least be able to drive Quake at 1024x768

(I know it's a much more powerful GPU core than the old PowerVR1/2)

humbug · 10 Dec 2012 at 02:48

Martini1991 said:
Like I say, I'll leave it now.

EDIT : I'm not even sure how you've interpreted anything I've said to suggest the PowerVR chip being better than Trinity, I didn't even compare them at all.

PowerVR are a graphics IP for mobile Phones and Tablets, last i heard Intel dumped them in favor of their own.

Atom is Intel's low power chip for Tablets. AMD have a few of their own in the form of Z-60, Hondo, Jaguar and another one they have only just released which will end up in Microsofts new Tablet;-that i can't remember the name of.

The tech in Atom is not a candidate for better iGPU, its the same as whats in SB.

jonneymendoza · 10 Dec 2012 at 08:31

Nelly said:
Thought I would try Wolfenstein:ET with Intel HD 3000 onboard graphics @ 1920x1200, constant 60fps, graphics wasn't perfect, but it works...

I'm not sure what happend with AMD/ATI, but the game no lnger worked with my old 6950, I've been told OpenGL is broke wjith their cards... well for this old game. J

Makes you wonder how quick Intel is catching up, it's definitly better than playing it on a Nvidia â€“ ELSA GLADIAC GeForce 2 GTS 32MB lol.

The new Haswell architecture looks as powerful as a 260gtx which would be very impressive indeed as that gpu can still play some games in decent settings.

That would make windows tablets more powerful then console

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Devrij · 10 Dec 2012 at 08:41

I must say I was surprised to find that I could play Trine at 1600x900 at reasonable framerates on my gf's laptop over the weekend. Got a little bit sluggish in places, but it was with all settings bar AA at high.

TALON1973 · 12 Dec 2012 at 22:29

Devrij said:
I must say I was surprised to find that I could play Trine at 1600x900 at reasonable framerates on my gf's laptop over the weekend. Got a little bit sluggish in places, but it was with all settings bar AA at high.

what lappy was that mate ?

Devrij · 13 Dec 2012 at 09:45

Ugh, no idea. It was that Dell that all workplaces seem to be buying these days. I'll see if I can find out for you, the missus is at home using it so she'll be able to check.

E: Dell Latitude E6420, hers has the i5, so HD3000, and 4GB RAM
http://www.dell.com/us/enterprise/p/latitude-e6420/pd

Nelly · 16 Dec 2012 at 14:51

TALON1973 said:
sorry ............what ?????????? it runs fine on amd cards ... using a 1gb 6850 ... the only issue you get with amd and et is the fact you get creamed when in water .. nvidia card players can see you in water ( when player is above looking into water ) . amd players cant

TALON1973 said:

lol ...again ....what ?????? thats plain wrong

Nelly said:

Going back, it worked when using a HIS Radeon X1900XTX IceQ 3 Turbo 512MB - so around 2006, I then had an 8800GTX, and a GTX 295, it worked on my Sapphire 4890 2GB, but stopped working on my Asus 5850 1GB, and Gigabyte 6950 2GB.

The screen would just go black upon entering a server, and crash out. I'll have to give it a go, if I buy a 7950/7970.

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I checked Wolfenstein:ET again yesterday on a AMD/ATI 7950, and it works good - not sure what went on in the past when I had my Sapphire 4890 2GB, Asus 5850 1GB, and Gigabyte 6950 2GB cards, but yep works now!