Gay Marriage to be Illegal in the Church of England

[dirtychinchilla]

BBC link here

I thought England was a progressive country...I'm absolutely shocked and furious at this decision. I feel like we're stepping back into the Middle Ages, and, frankly, I think it's against human rights to be banned from marriage in a certain location. Reading the news before today I had been thinking that today would be the day that this farce would be turned around....apparently I was too optimistic in thinking that the church could accept people's differing choices.

Edit: Made a mistake, CofE isn't at fault here. Still shocking though, good on them for opposing it, however.

 

[godinman]

The CofE didn't know anything about the amendment according to R4.

 

[Strife212]

Surely it's the best of both worlds, gay people can get married but the church isn't forced to marry them.

 

[Raymond Lin]

They can opt in and CoE are to oppose the bill.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

They can opt in.

Yes but without opting in gay marriage is illegal. Just madness.

 

[MooMoo444]

Well that's just gay.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

They can opt in and CoE are to oppose the bill.

Yeah sorry, I just realised that I'd misinterpreted the second paragraph in that article.

 

[One]

Yes but without opting in gay marriage is illegal. Just madness.

So gays have to have their way or it's discrimination which is apparently bad but forcing a religion to do something it doesn't want to do is good discrimination?

I don't agree with gayism or religion tbh but as far as petty arguments go this is pretty absurd. Why exactly would you want to be married by an organisation that doesn't want to accept you?

It's kind of like a Cow protesting PETA.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I really can't see this get through all the hurdles and become law, so many opposition.

 

[Tonester0011]

2011 Census = 25% of the population non religious.
Wont be long till the CofE is completely obsolete....

I'm personally against the whole idea of marriage in general, but that's my opinion. If people irrespective of sex want to get married, good luck to them...CofE is well behind the curve though.

 

[PMKeates]

They've given the CofE a bit of a break by making it unlawful for ministers to marry a same-sex couple, without the CofE expressly approving it as an organisation. What that does do is prevent the chaotic implosion of the CofE over this issue, which is unfortunately what I was hoping for.

 

[cymatty]

Surely it's the best of both worlds, gay people can get married but the church isn't forced to marry them.

Yeah, makes sense to me. Don't see what the issue is here.

 

[One]

They've given the CofE a bit of a break by making it unlawful for ministers to marry a same-sex couple, without the CofE expressly approving it as an organisation. What that does do is prevent the chaotic implosion of the CofE over this issue, which is unfortunately what I was hoping for.

I'm a wee bit annoyed with the current census data that's been released. It only says Christianity rates, I'd love to know how other religions have faired. I imagine a huge spike in Islam in and around the big cities, will be interesting to see if religion as a whole has dropped or raised.

It's all very well getting rid of the CofE, but not if it's simply replaced by another religion.

 

[arctine]

I'm a wee bit annoyed with the current census data that's been released. It only says Christianity rates, I'd love to know how other religions have faired. I imagine a huge spike in Islam in and around the big cities, will be interesting to see if religion as a whole has dropped or raised.

It's all very well getting rid of the CofE, but not if it's simply replaced by another religion.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Ilikeitblackplease]

BBC link here

I thought England was a progressive country...I'm absolutely shocked and furious at this decision. I feel like we're stepping back into the Middle Ages, and, frankly, I think it's against human rights to be banned from marriage in a certain location. Reading the news before today I had been thinking that today would be the day that this farce would be turned around....apparently I was too optimistic in thinking that the church could accept people's differing choices.

Edit: Made a mistake, CofE isn't at fault here. Still shocking though, good on them for opposing it, however.

Good, we need something that makes it different.

 

[Gackt]

I don't see the problem. I'm very much an opponent of religion in itself, but I don't think it's right to force a religion to amends it's beliefs, and I think it's contrary to the point.

It'll show just how ignorant and misguided the CoE are, as they refuse to marry homosexuals, but others do.

Of course they are, and should be free to express their beliefs, as long as they don't impact on other people (in this case, homosexuals can marry at any of the other places that accept them, but the CoE isn't forced to do so). What baffles me is why any homosexual would want to be married in a place that seems to rife with homophobia.

 

[scorza]

I'm a wee bit annoyed with the current census data that's been released. It only says Christianity rates, I'd love to know how other religions have faired. I imagine a huge spike in Islam in and around the big cities, will be interesting to see if religion as a whole has dropped or raised.

It's all very well getting rid of the CofE, but not if it's simply replaced by another religion.

I saw the figures for Islam on the lunch time news - 50% rise to 2.7m if I recall correctly.

 

[Tonester0011]

I'm a wee bit annoyed with the current census data that's been released. It only says Christianity rates, I'd love to know how other religions have faired. I imagine a huge spike in Islam in and around the big cities, will be interesting to see if religion as a whole has dropped or raised.

It's all very well getting rid of the CofE, but not if it's simply replaced by another religion.

Yeah, the local data only shows Christian...what's annoying.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20675307

That shows the some of the others...
6,242 have Heavy Metal as their faith though

 

[Glaucus]

Surely it's the best of both worlds, gay people can get married but the church isn't forced to marry them.

Best of both worlds would be the triple lock, rather than qaud lock. I see no reason to ban CoE from legal banning. When the other three locks guarantee freedom of religion choice and insure no one can sue them or use the discrimination act against them.

They can opt in and CoE are to oppose the bill.

CoE can't opt in, it is illegal, all the other religions/church's can opt in, but not Coe.
Or at least what I read earlier anyway.

The Church of England and Church in Wales will be banned in law from offering same-sex marriages, the government has announced.

The four locks

No religious organisation or individual minister being compelled to marry same-sex couples or to permit this to happen on their premises

Making it unlawful for religious organisations or their ministers to marry same-sex couples unless their organisation's governing body has expressly opted in to provisions for doing so

Amending the 2010 Equality Act to ensure no discrimination claim can be brought against religious organisations or individual ministers for refusing to marry a same-sex couple

The legislation explicitly stating that it will be illegal for the Church of England and the Church in Wales to marry same-sex couples and that Canon Law, which bans same-sex weddings, will continue to apply

Why is that last lock in any way needed.

 

[One]

My bad, I looked at the page earlier today and could only find a page solely about Christianity. I thought they were going to do a religion a day until xmas or something lol.