A new Steam console ?

It took quite a while on Xbox didn't it? PS3 had them quite quickly though.

Either way most people wouldn't buy it because it has Netflix and as said the browser might work well if it has some sort of flash player and lets you run videos in full screen.
 
To me apps are irrelevant, when the next MS and Sony consoles come out people will be buying them for the AAA games and not for facebook. Who needs crappy apps on it if the TV it's plugged into can handle them anyway. :p
 
I think m4rk84 is right.

This'll be the Blu Ray vs HD-DvD fight again.

Sony and Valve will probably go OpenGL and Xbox will go DirectX, forcing the developers to "pick a side" and in the end they'll either suffer with having to program games for both platforms, or just pick one and stick with it.
 
LateX'Dog said:
I think m4rk84 is right.

This'll be the Blu Ray vs HD-DvD fight again.

Sony and Valve will probably go OpenGL and Xbox will go DirectX, forcing the developers to "pick a side" and in the end they'll either suffer with having to program games for both platforms, or just pick one and stick with it.
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It seems like OpenGL would be the way to go if it works out like that considering Valve seem determined to make games work on Linux which uses OpenGL I believe? So it shouldn't be too much effort to get them on PC, PS3/4 and the Steambox.
 
spoffle said:
DX doesn't run on PS3 though, that's what I was getting at. Devs developing for the PS3 (and Vita) should already be familiar with OpenGL development since the PS3 doesn't use DX.
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However the PS3 uses a variant which deliberately makes porting games to OpenGL more work. What I propose is that the PS4 will straight up use standard OpenGL making the dream of Linux supported AAA games a reality and enabling Gabe's vision of a SteamBox.

While I would never personally buy a SteamBox I definitely have a dream of one day being able to freely use a Linux distro to run AAA games hassle free. As consumers I believe that world is in all our interests whether the majority realise it yet or not!

Microsoft has held way too much power with DirectX for way too long.
 
spoffle said:
DX doesn't run on PS3 though, that's what I was getting at. Devs developing for the PS3 (and Vita) should already be familiar with OpenGL development since the PS3 doesn't use DX.
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That doesn't really matter though, as surely this Steambox will get the X86 variant, thus the lack of PC games being OpenGL will surely affect it, even with a current console having a certain amount of OpenGL support, games are still DX.
 
Glaucus said:
No it's not conjecture, go read the net, they are making a Linux client for all games.
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It is conjecture, you are assuming that "running all games on linux" means that they are making DX work with linux. It could be something else. It's an assumption, I'm not saying it's wrong but at least admit it is what it is.
LateX'Dog said:
I think m4rk84 is right.

This'll be the Blu Ray vs HD-DvD fight again.

Sony and Valve will probably go OpenGL and Xbox will go DirectX, forcing the developers to "pick a side" and in the end they'll either suffer with having to program games for both platforms, or just pick one and stick with it.
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It'll be no different at all to how it is now, the PS3 already uses OpenGL so any devs making games for Xbox, PS3 and Windows already has to do that.

No one will be forced to "pick a side".
 
No it's not an assumption. Taht is what they are doing. Making direct x work on Linux. There's more than that 1/3rd of an article I posted, go read the web.
They do not own most of the games on valve. They can not port them.

It is far from conjecture. As I said go do some reading.
 
Glaucus said:
No it's not an assumption. Taht is what they are doing. Making direct x work on Linux. There's more than that 1/3rd of an article I posted, go read the web.
They do not own most of the games on valve. They can not port them.

It is far from conjecture. As I said go do some reading.
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I just don't believe Microsoft would ever in anyway allow DirectX to work fully featured in any environment other then Windows. Not in a million years.
 
This Linux DX thing I don't buy for a second, surely Microsoft just say no?
It is completely conjecture from you Glacus, if MS were going to allow this, they would have done previously.
 
m4rk84 said:
However the PS3 uses a variant which deliberately makes porting games to OpenGL more work. What I propose is that the PS4 will straight up use standard OpenGL making the dream of Linux supported AAA games a reality and enabling Gabe's vision of a SteamBox.

While I would never personally buy a SteamBox I definitely have a dream of one day being able to freely use a Linux distro to run AAA games hassle free. As consumers I believe that world is in all our interests whether the majority realise it yet or not!

Microsoft has held way too much power with DirectX for way too long.
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Of course, they'll have to do something, and Valve is very much the right people to be doing it, they have massive finances and no commitments to shareholders. They can effectively do what they want or need to do.

Martini1991 said:
That doesn't really matter though, as surely this Steambox will get the X86 variant, thus the lack of PC games being OpenGL will surely affect it, even with a current console having a certain amount of OpenGL support, games are still DX.
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No it doesn't, I agree I was just pointing that it's a little different. I think some people think nearly everything uses DX (most people don't even really understand what DX is and what it does, generally people think that a new DX means better graphics full stop).

Valve is however the right company to be behind a major shift to OpenGL. Gabe has all the money, and none of the commitments to make this a reality.
 
m4rk84 said:
DirectX IS Microsoft...
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And?
They aren't making direct x, they are making a client that runs direct x games on Linux. Nothing ms can do. They can't update all games to run a new DX which breaks everything. And even if they did they can just modify the client to run the new DX.
 
Glaucus said:
And?
They aren't making direct x, they are making a client that runs direct x games on Linux. Nothing ms can do. They can't update all games to run a new DX which breaks everything. And even if they did they can just modify the client to run the new DX.
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If this was possible, it'd have been done by now.
To run DirectX games it'd surely need to have DirectX, which Microsoft obviously have control over, I mean we don't see it on OSX either do we? OSX has had a Steam client for a while.
 
Martini1991 said:
If this was possible, it'd have been done by now.
It's not happening.
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It allready exists in several forms. Wine for one, albeit it with mixed results.
Now a a big firm with money and Interest is giving it a try.
What makes it easier. Is they aren't trying to make all windows software work. They are trying to make a small catalogue work, 2500 which are all games as well, limiting the scope further.

Despite what people say. it has nothing to do with MS.
 
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