**** The Official Superman - Man Of Steel Discussion Thread ****

Couldn't wait til Tuesday when i see the hobbit

Nothing more than Amazeballs, it looks massive in scale at places, but grounded in others, perfect.

The piece Zimmerman has wrote is fantastic as well. Such a clear step away in theme from Batman.
 
You can see a lot of Snyder in there but it's not crazy like his last few films. I like it.

I really like it.
 
Couldn't wait til Tuesday when i see the hobbit

Nothing more than Amazeballs, it looks massive in scale at places, but grounded in others, perfect.

The piece Zimmerman has wrote is fantastic as well. Such a clear step away in theme from Batman.

That music is not Zimmer's. Very rare that a films soundtrack, especially with still so much time to go, is used on trailers.

Although his music is what i am most excited about with this film.
 
That music is not Zimmer's. Very rare that a films soundtrack, especially with still so much time to go, is used on trailers.

Although his music is what i am most excited about with this film.

Was it not? I've not heard it before. Be interested to see what it is if you can provide a link, cheers :)

It's definitely one of the main points of the film I'm looking towards. Journey To The Line really fit the original ComicCon trailer, but highly enjoyed that one as well.

Edit: found the song,
Lisa Gerrard & Patrick Cassidy Album: Immortal Memory Track #4 Song Name: Elegy

No wonder the start sounded like Man on Fire
 
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Looking good!

Still don't know about Henry Cavill though! :p :(

His Superman looks great, it's his Clark Kent that I'm just a little worried about, haven't seen toffee of it really, and I struggle to see him playing a stereotypical nerd, which Clark is, it's a big part of the disguise, and a part I thought Reeves and even Routh pulled off brilliantly.

I don't want to see the smooth Tom Welling style crap.
 
I am not a huge fan of him as an actor (don't like him in any of the movies that he has been in :p), which is partly why I am concerned about him, although so far he does seem to suit this style of a superman film and yeah I can't see him doing a good job playing the goofy/nerdy Clark Kent....

Also thought Reeves and Routh were excellent on the whole. I really liked Tom Welling as Superman, his goofy/nerdy CK acting (near the end) was pretty crap and still came across as too "smooth" but for the Superman role, I thought he was excellent.
 
It's an origins film ala Batman Begins, what else would they do?

This is a reboot from the originals and therefore an origin film. The entirety of the film will be about him accepting who he is and coming to terms with his duty as 'earth's mightiest hero'.

That's exatly my issue with origin films, we've had enough of them.
You don't have to pander and teach every viewer about, most of all, superman. While I am a fan and should understand some people may simply not know and need to be told, I don't see why they should.

What else would they do? Really, you can't think of anything else?
So, so much more air-time could be spend on other parts of the movie, unless we're getting flashbacks of his childhood. It usually takes quite a big chunk out of any movie, parts which I personally (I'm sure many others) really don't need to be told for the 10th time.

My other issue is that they do with some origins is they show a kid/pre-powers, then their fully fledged super hero without something between, obviously this would take up more time and the entire movie would be "this is how I came to be" but why do an origins story at all if you're going to skip events. Why, because they don't need to? Yeah I wish they didn't need to.

I'd be surprised and happy to enjoy this part of the movie and admit I was wrong to assume it's going to be everything we've seen before.
 
That's exatly my issue with origin films, we've had enough of them.
You don't have to pander and teach every viewer about, most of all, superman. While I am a fan and should understand some people may simply not know and need to be told, I don't see why they should.

What else would they do? Really, you can't think of anything else?
So, so much more air-time could be spend on other parts of the movie, unless we're getting flashbacks of his childhood. It usually takes quite a big chunk out of any movie, parts which I personally (I'm sure many others) really don't need to be told for the 10th time.

My other issue is that they do with some origins is they show a kid/pre-powers, then their fully fledged super hero without something between, obviously this would take up more time and the entire movie would be "this is how I came to be" but why do an origins story at all if you're going to skip events. Why, because they don't need to? Yeah I wish they didn't need to.

I'd be surprised and happy to enjoy this part of the movie and admit I was wrong to assume it's going to be everything we've seen before.

That is what Bryan Singer did, he hooked onto the last run of films, and guess what, it wasn't accepted (just for the record, I thoroughly enjoyed Returns), people despite knowing who superman was, didn't take to the old classic style superman. You don't just hook too a character and completely change the style he is within a canon like TV series or films. You have to rebuild that character from the base, because A) you don't **** with other people's work, because you are no longer tied to it. B) everybody gets a chance to connect with the character as you vision him, because you've essentially given birth to him, literally on screen.

This is Zack Snyder and David Goyers version of his origin, everyone gets a chance, the superman origin has been written dozens of times in various formats.

The best to date being Geoff John's secret origin story in the comics.

This is a story, It has a beginning, a middle and an end. How they span that is up to them.

Did you dislike Nolan's Batman for starting from the beginning, despite everybody knowing his origin and it been done on dozens of formats already?
 
It's definitely one of the main points of the film I'm looking towards. Journey To The Line really fit the original ComicCon trailer, but highly enjoyed that one as well.

Indeed. Journey To The Line is one of the finest pieces of film music ever written.
 
Did you dislike Nolan's Batman for starting from the beginning, despite everybody knowing his origin and it been done on dozens of formats already?

I liked the newest batmans origins.

Let me clarify what I mean by this particular origins story that I hate so much because it rarely changes much if at all on the big screen, I should also mention by origins I mean everything from his birth up to him being an "adult".
Remember, my main complaint is it taking up too much time in a film, where time is precious to tell a story, unlike a comic, book or TV series.

On Krypton, Jor-El/Lara, Kryptons destruction, sending him to earth, being found by the kents, raised, dealing with his powers as a child, blahdy blahdy tell me it's going to be any different? This is what I'm talking about, 20 minutes (pulled that number out of my butt) of wasted time. However, I don't mind an origins story which takes place when he's an adult having some flashbacks as a kid, like Batman, it's not too invasive and gets the story across pretty quickly.

If this reboot/reimage or whatever you want to call it has a planned trilogy or so, then in the long run I wouldn't mind. This is of course if it is any good at all.
We both have to accept that this is our own personal preferences, you don't give a damn, I'm tired of them.

One thing I'm curious about is what mistake has he made and looks like he's not using his powers to evade some sort of justice and letting himself be arrested or similar.
I guess he has made a really bad call and is having to deal with it emotional as well as judicially.
 
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I liked the newest batmans origins.

Batman Begins spent an hour doing exactly what you dislike apparently, and done absolutely nothing new though, that story is the normal batman canon, slightly changed in that Ducard and Ra's are one and the same. he went away for a long time, and learnt from a lot of different people, in different arts, including the two used in BB (Ra's Al Ghul and Ducard) in the comic.

Batman flashed his normal origin story, they spent it going back and forth as a young adult, not even as batman, looking back at as a kid, then back to his training abroad. he didn't become batman for a good hour at least, was this wasted time?

Let me clarify what I mean by this particular origins story that I hate so much because it rarely changes much if at all on the big screen, I should also mention by origins I mean everything from his birth up to him being an "adult".
Remember, my main complaint is it taking up too much time in a film, where time is precious to tell a story, unlike a comic, book or TV series.

On Krypton, Jor-El/Lara, Kryptons destruction, sending him to earth, being found by the kents, raised, dealing with his powers as a child, blahdy blahdy tell me it's going to be any different? This is what I'm talking about, 20 minutes (pulled that number out of my butt) of wasted time. However, I don't mind an origins story which takes place when he's an adult having some flashbacks as a kid, like Batman, it's not too invasive and gets the story across pretty quickly.

If this reboot/reimage or whatever you want to call it has a planned trilogy or so, then in the long run I wouldn't mind. This is of course if it is any good at all.
We both have to accept that this is our own personal preferences, you don't give a damn, I'm tired of them.

One thing I'm curious about is what mistake has he made and looks like he's not using his powers to evade some sort of justice and letting himself be arrested or similar.
I guess he has made a really bad call and is having to deal with it emotional as well as judicially.

As far as Superman goes, flashbacks or not. from the majority of what we've seen, there won't be a lot of when he was a kid. It'll be his travels around the world when he's young (20's), apparently Africa at some point. The story of Krypton appears to be told to him by the fortress, as has always been done. Yes it won't change from his planet was blown up, and he was stuck in a space rocket, but that won't be shown for very long about 2 minute's of talk by the hologram Jor-El, It'll be about him as a young adult,How they do this in this film, is absolutely nothing like the comics by the sounds of things, he's a fisherman, he travels the world on his own steam, walking. it looks like triggered flashbacks by looks of things

The scene as a kid with the school bus being triggered by him seeing a school bus when he's docked in the harbour etc.

The film, isn't even running from any Superman origin story, as Superman doesn't go up against Zod in his first conflicts in the comics, and certainly it has never been shown on screen, which is the mass audience.

This version is absolutely nothing like the previous iterations, the only thing that looks similar is that he was brought from a dying planet and grew up on a farm.

They have gone a long way Warner Bro's to make this character in a similar vein to Batman begin's to ground this character, to make it feel like he could, for the slightest possible moment, exist in this world.

I think you're really going to be mistaken with them thoughts once you see this film, because every detail I've seen so far points so far away from that.
 
Nolan's take on the origin was good precisely because he spent time fleshing it out, and it did offer a new twist - his fear of bats (falling down the well and getting smothered) became directly responsible for the events leading to his parents death (freaking out at the bats in the theater thus leaving early), and subsequent guilt associated with that. It was actually an improvement on the original IMO. The films were about Bruce Wayne's character arc rather than exposition in the outfit, which is why everyone liked the films because they were character driven rather than costume driven - perhaps Nolan's input into this film will be of a similar nature.

Most of the time with rehashed origin sections of films, they put it in but rush through it, telling it the same way each the time (e.g. Spiderman), which is why nobody wants to see it done every few years.
 
Was it not? I've not heard it before. Be interested to see what it is if you can provide a link, cheers :)

It's definitely one of the main points of the film I'm looking towards. Journey To The Line really fit the original ComicCon trailer, but highly enjoyed that one as well.

Edit: found the song,
Lisa Gerrard & Patrick Cassidy Album: Immortal Memory Track #4 Song Name: Elegy

No wonder the start sounded like Man on Fire

The song in the trailer reminds me of the Gladiator Elysium iirc...such an awesome song.

Looking forward to this Superman reboot, looks pretty good from the trailers i have seen. Will reserve my judgements on Cavill as Superman but for me no one can come close to Christopher Reeve as Superman.
 
I've just found out that a friend has been involved making this film :)

VFX assistant editor :)

Very much looking forward to this after chatting to him!
 
The song in the trailer reminds me of the Gladiator Elysium iirc...such an awesome song.

Looking forward to this Superman reboot, looks pretty good from the trailers i have seen. Will reserve my judgements on Cavill as Superman but for me no one can come close to Christopher Reeve as Superman.

I feel the same, but from what I've read/seen of Henry Cavill he looks the best since Reeve. Not sure if he's going to be better, but certainly going to be a new fresh take on the character. I hope he is just as good as Reeve, in his own way.
 
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