The End of The Tax Disc?

Get rid of the "car tax" altogether and roll it into the price of fuel, that's the way to go.

Would be the best short term solution. But it's not going to happen. As long term we need VED due to electric cars. So pointless shutting the department down and in 10years having to open it back up, to bring tax in. Also need monthly payment option/direct debit etc.
 
Would be the best short term solution. But it's not going to happen. As long term we need VED due to electric cars. So pointless shutting the department down and in 10years having to open it back up, to bring tax in. Also need monthly payment option/direct debit etc.

But they've made green cars road duty free and that's never going to change, right?
 
But they've made green cars road duty free and that's never going to change, right?

I'm wondering what new way they are going to charge road tax for electric cars. Perhaps the age of them. Really cheap for a new car and every year it ages it doubles in price? That would make sense.


A sensible solution would be to charge per mile driven which would be due at MOT time. (Can be used as a negotiation point when the car is sold.)
 
But they've made green cars road duty free and that's never going to change, right?

Of course it's. going to change, everyone knows it'll change. It's no big secret. However for a fair few. Years to come you're still going to get much reduced driving costs, especially inside London.
 
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Get rid of the "car tax" altogether and roll it into the price of fuel, that's the way to go.


It is the best solution but knowing the Governments they would lump a load on fuel telling us they are scrapping the tax disc by 2000 and X. Then it would probably lead to a 'small' reduction due to budget needs when it was due to come in.

Anyone protests and the classic NHS cost guilt trip would be brought out.

Motorists will only ever pay more, any changes will always be seen as an opportunity to skank us more.
 
The entire population our motorists, so I don't know why people say it, like they're some hard done by small group.

Even if you don't drive you rely on lorrys for goods and the transport sector anyway.

It's just another revenue stream that influences purchase trends and it does work for that purpose. The uk fleets mpg is increasing at a steady rate.
 

as government needs the money so Electric cars will have to be taxed when their numbers grow. the best way to do that is through VED.
I for see VED going digital as the first step. The next step will be the ability to pay monthly. Then that opens up the door for all sorts of ways to charge.
 
I expect that at some point as electric cars grow there will be a duty levied on the electricity used to drive them anyway.
 
I expect that at some point as electric cars grow there will be a duty levied on the electricity used to drive them anyway.

That's just not possible.
It would put all electric costs up, you can't separate electric for car charging and electric for your house or business.
Secondly micro home generation is a massively increasing market, so they are losing tax from taht as well.

It will be done through VeD tobegin with IMO and long term I can't see anything else other than pay per mile scheme.
Insurance companies have allready set a trend with black boxes in cars.
 
That's just not possible.
It would put all electric costs up, you can't separate electric for car charging and electric for your house or business.

What, in the same way you can't do that for current fuel?

Come off it, as soon as it makes them more money, there will be a duty on all electric. So far, the government has not given any thought or care to what this does to things like inflation and growth, so why should they ever give a ****?
 
scrap the mot and insurance certificates while your at it aswell,if its all one one big computer why do we need them?
 
What, in the same way you can't do that for current fuel?

Come off it, as soon as it makes them more money, there will be a duty on all electric. So far, the government has not given any thought or care to what this does to things like inflation and growth, so why should they ever give a ****?

How are other fuels the same? Other fuels can easily be traced. Electric cant be, you can't stain electrons and put them down the power line and see where they go.

They can't add massive duty to electric due to it being essential for living.

It will be done through VeD or pay per mobile schemes.
 
scrap the mot and insurance certificates while your at it aswell,if its all one one big computer why do we need them?

Well because insurance is paid on a particular person's risk to drive a particular car, and because MOT tests the roadworthiness of a car?
 
Well because insurance is paid on a particular person's risk to drive a particular car, and because MOT tests the roadworthiness of a car?

i mean just to prove your insured or not/mot'd or not,we dont need the paperwork if the police can check the national dvla computers
 
Why would you scrap them? You don't have to carry them around and they're basically a recipt.
It's only tax you have to legally display on the car.
 
How are other fuels the same? Other fuels can easily be traced. Electric cant be, you can't stain electrons and put them down the power line and see where they go.

Am I misunderstanding or does this have nothing to do with what I just said?

You can trace how much electricity someone uses simply by metering it (much like what happens currently). Regardless of what it is used for, I don't expect the government to distinguish or care - they'll simply want to plug the black hole left in the finances.

They can't add massive duty to electric due to it being essential for living.

So is driving? If you banned cars tomorrow the country would collapse.

pay per mobile schemes.

Easiest way to implement something like that would be to roll the cost into the cost of the fuel?

i mean just to prove your insured or not/mot'd or not,we dont need the paperwork if the police can check the national dvla computers

Ah, I see. :p

Well I believe in a lot of cases, the police already do this. I always tend to keep one paper copy of each mind, in the event of computers making mistakes et al.
 
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