According to my 'copper mate, they usually give a few warnings first - its not worth the paperwork.
MILLIONAIRE Tory Cabinet minister refers to police as " plebs " - Police fabricate evidence
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According to my 'copper mate, they usually give a few warnings first - its not worth the paperwork.
I disagree, also I wonder what Lord McAlpine thinks of that?
I can't see any defense for irrational and hysterical attacks on anyone 'just because'.
As I understood it this was ran with by the Police Fed against the wishes of the officers involved. How can a Union-esque organisation that took a decision to put the political proverbial boot in not get attacked?
There's no accusation of corruption from me, but the Police, and those in the courts are the protectors of our society. They have a duty of care and are expected to be 'whiter than white'. When they're not it should be clear that proper action has been taken to ensure it dosen't happen again.
Peoples hatred of the police is no more rational than peoples hated of the Torys, neither should be condoned but challenged at any and every opportunity.
He didn't sweat at Police. Where's Lord Mandelson when you need a comparison?
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so innocent after all? Who would have thought.....a politician telling the truth
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I'm sure i read somewhere that a magistrate threw out a public order offence or similar based around swearing on the basis that the officers weren't offended (in the judges opinion) as they hear it constantly in their dealings with the scrotes they deal with on a day to day basis and build up an "immunity"to it.
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I had a very similar thing happen to myself but in addition to that both traffic officers did not do the following :
1. Know what the speed limit was - yes you heard that correct it was a new piece of road that I was doing 73 MPH on three lane dual carriageway at midnight, they did not know if was 60 or 70 Mph , they even had to ask there HQ on the radio of the speed limit .
2. No reading of any right s for the offence I had committed , they couldn't as they did not know the speed limit , all they said was this would be discussed back at the police station and if an offence had been committed they would let me know .
3. No N.I.P sent within 14 days of the alleged offence .
I received a summons to court 8 months after the alleged offence was committed as the CPS asked the court for an extension 6 months after the date date of the offence.
So I summons both traffic officers into court pleading not guilty to any speeding offence using no notification of a " Notice Of Intention Of Prosecution " as my defence , i also asked for a record of the Storm voice recordings the officers were using on the radio to prove that they in deed did set up a road block and did not know the speed limit - hence why no NIP was given on the side of the road and nothing within writing within 14 days .They simply had no idea of what the speed limit was so could not have read me my rights.
Needless to say that when the court day arrived no recordings were available and the magistrates took the word of 2 lying police officers that both said they had read me the formal warning for the offence i had committed .
The magistrate looked at me over his glasses and said to me I have to take the word of two traffic officers and will do so without looking at any further evidence , I was given 3 points a fine and court fees along with losing a days money form work for time to go to court.
My point being here is that the courts and senior Police will unless any evidence is on the table in front of them always defend there officers no matter what .
I have no time for the filth and you can all rot In hell , you will all lie through your back teeth to get the results you need. If anyone believes that the Police are honest and out for any public good your kidding yourselves , they all have there own agendas.
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I believe it becomes a public order offence , a police officer can't be verbally offended in his line of duty. However the little old lady over the road could be .
I'm not giving much love to the boys in blue here today am I ?
Did you appeal? Were you representing yourself? Did you perform particularly poorly in the box?
Can't believe that a DJ would have to believe the word of two lying police officers... There would be far more to it than that
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Did you appeal? Were you representing yourself? Did you perform particularly poorly in the box?
Can't believe that a DJ would have to believe the word of two lying police officers... There would be far more to it than that
No I represented myself , I'm had little cash to spare for a solicitor at the time. I am quite articulate and confident enough to represent myself . However I did go and see a solicitor who specialised in this sort of thing after to talk about an appeal and after I weighed up the costs and what it might achieve I put it down to experience , 3 points on an otherwise clean license was not going to kill me .
The whole sordid thing just told me I can' trust the police or the judicial system. They are all in each other pockets one way or another.
Were you made aware of the availability of legal aid etc? It's a shame you had such a bad experience.
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Timing was very bad , I was earning in excess of the upper limit and was coming out of the back end of a very messy divorce.
Oh and before any Pro police people comment this was 10 years ago . This year I have collected 6 points on my license - they were all my fault - but hell it was worth it my guvnors 911S goes like the clappers , 99 MPH on a motorway but they should have got me earlier .
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Thank you for that story. backs up what I was saying and pretty much the same as what happened to me.
But don't expect any sympathy from the board members, like the magistrates they desperately want to believe in this 'police always tell the truth whilst the people they arrest always lie' mantra which is the very problem I hate.
As I said earlier, if we have that attitude, then we are effectively making police officers judge and jury because all they have to say is that you admitted the offence to them and that's it.
It's happened to me, it's happened to you but sadly until other experience this personally they won't believe you
.Thank you for that story. backs up what I was saying and pretty much the same as what happened to me.
But don't expect any sympathy from the board members, like the magistrates they desperately want to believe in this 'police always tell the truth whilst the people they arrest always lie' mantra which is the very problem I hate.
As I said earlier, if we have that attitude, then we are effectively making police officers judge and jury because all they have to say is that you admitted the offence to them and that's it.
It's happened to me, it's happened to you but sadly until other experience this personally they won't believe you
Policemen and Women are doing a job just like any other. In order of quantity you get the normal, down to earth, the self righteous and the plain evil. You're going to have a run in with the Police at sometime in your life and you just hope you get a decent, honest copper when you do. Like all of us at work when we ****up we'll do our best to cover our arse. It just so happens that for the Police it's different kettle of fish hence why there's so many rules and regulations, they just have to be followed and not buried under a tirade of 'the police can do no wrong'. Also, unfortunately, most peoples encounters with Police is when they get a NIP through the post, which isn't a fair representation of the Police and hurts their image massively.
I've been in the back of a Police cars plenty myself, the most recent the Policeman thought I was some Chav in a nicked BMW. Then once he'd ran the checks and established who I was he gave me a Section 59, commented that he was impressed at my choice of tyre and told me to go home.
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This post certainly does not get you any sympathy
Why should we believe your character or attitude has changed.
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Sick of people saying stuff like this.
The point of this discussion is the integrity of the police, you can't just say 'well who cares if the police lie or cheat' just avoid them aint it?
That's not the point. Whether it's a minor dispute like a speeding fine or you are a serial killer your right to not have a policeman lie, fabricate evidence or twist your statement should be the same and something we want to protect.
The time I went to court was the first and only time I have, I have no criminal record or any history with the police so I know it's very easy to shield yourself away from reality and cling onto your preferred image of the Dickson Of Dock Green bobby and pretend anyone that makes a complaint must be a liar. But it that attitude that forced Mitchell out of his job and is a dangerous thing to turn a blind eye to.
Saying something like this (for example)....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Code_of_Silence
...is acceptable because you've never been stopped by a policeman and naively think you never will be is the definition of "I'm alright Jack" attitude.
I'm fully aware that there are certain members of the police who are slimey and corrupt. That's why if I were to commit a crime, I would factor in the possibility that my defence will be hindered by a lack of integrity from the police.
My opinion is that when you do something illegal, don't complain if you see illegality staring back at you. If you're adamant you weren't speeding, then you have my sympathy. However if you were trying to get off via a technicality then unfortunately you lost that particular game. But who knows, you might win it next time. You might not even have to play it as I presume you are now more careful with where and when you speed?
Thankfully you can't do it in the UK.