Stella makes people aggressive?

TheCenturion said:
Caffeine fair enough. But what drinks have caffeine in them? Yeah if you're downing spirits with energy drinks you'll go mad but that's obvious.

Sugar, I'm not so sure. Ethanol tends to get metabolised over glucose as a priority, so maybe alcoholic drinks with alcohol in them make you hyperglycemic? I can't see how that would affect your behaviour though.
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No idea. I'm not a scientist studying the effects, so I won't pretend I know. My only experience with Stella was back when I was 17/18 and we bought it because it was the strongest cheap beer we could get at the time. A bottle of buckfast, six tins of stella and 20 lambert and butler from the offies on the way home after work and you'd crack into that lot before going to the bar. :D
 
I've wondered about this before - my brother who is usually fairly passive and never usually drinks stella became increasingly more belligerent both times hes drunk stella. First time I thought it was just because it was his first real experience of drinking but the 2nd time was after 2-3+ years of drinking including some pretty heavy nights out. (He doesn't normally drink beers/largers so I can't discount it being a problem with them all rather than just stella tho).
 
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It gives people an excuse. Its like saying "I behaved like a ***** but it wasn't my fault cos stella makes me angry".

They did a test a while back on a tv show I think that proved that it was nothing to do with the alcohol. The countries culture and the individual were the defining factors. If its not socially acceptable to go out and get so drunk that you become agressive and fight, people don't do it so much.

Like the op, its quite common to hear someone say "my mate Dave is a lovely bloke but when hes on the stella he turns into a right ****" as if that acceptance of the issue makes it alright.
 
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Iirc during fermentation yeast produces around 500 different chemicals, so it's fairly obvious differing strains of yeast fermenting different fermentables is going to have an effect on the resulting product, which could more than likely effect different people in different ways.
 
Dunks said:
Iirc during fermentation yeast produces around 500 different chemicals, so it's fairly obvious differing strains of yeast fermenting different fermentables is going to have an effect on the resulting product, which could more than likely effect different people in different ways.
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By the same logic, its unlikely that a certain drink would stand out from every other as a magnet for bad behaviour.
 
Maybe not between the same type of drink, but maybe more profound when comparing vodka to wine to beer.
 
Glaucus said:
What you feel different drunk, wtf. Drunk is drunk. How long it takes to get drunk can depend on the drink, as factors like strength and fizz can alter absorption time.

Hangovers are different those aren't purely alcohol related and different types of drink have different toxins in them.

If you feel different, it's a placebo.
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How can you logically say different drinks give you different hangovers etc and then say that drunk is drunk, no it is not.

You don't think the various chemicals impacting your brain differently might change your mood and feeling on the night. Which also effects behavior.
 
PapaLazaru said:
It is a myth. Stella, at one point in time, was the only 5.2% lager widely available, when most of the others were around 4%.

Anyone drinking it would get leathered as they were not used to it. The myth has just continued over the years. Myself and my mates know it simply as 'wife beater', but I get just as spannered drinking that, than any other 5% cheap lager. It is cheap nasty stuff as can be felt the morning after as the hangovers are particularly bad.
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4.8% now :p
 
As the two affects are very different. It's two different pathways. They are not the same.

People getting violent on certain drinks is just bs.
 
platinum87 said:
How can you logically say different drinks give you different hangovers etc and then say that drunk is drunk, no it is not.

You don't think the various chemicals impacting your brain differently might change your mood and feeling on the night. Which also effects behavior.
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The other chemicals don't have any effect in the brain, but they will cause a worse hangover because they can do things like dehydrate you etc

Therefore they wouldn't be able to directly impact your mood, but they could lead to a different hangover.
 
OhEsEcks said:
Can you elaborate more on this.
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Show me the path ways that cause the violence.

Alcohol works on the receptors. Hence you lose control.

Now show me what compounds in only x-drink shows increase risk.

If you look at papers on alcohol not one shows any scientific link between any alcholic drink and violence, other than a casual effect.
 
i know a lot of this thread has said its nonsense

But I can guarantee you different drinks have different effects on me.

Red Wine and Stella being the main culprits. And I dont drink them due to that.
 
Glaucus said:
Show me the path ways that cause the violence.
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I was hoping you would do that since you seem to know more about this than others and have access to that information. Like I said on the last page, I'm not a scientist studying the effects, so I won't pretend to know.

Glaucus said:
Alcohol works on the receptors. Hence you lose control.
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See above.

Glaucus said:
Now show me what compounds in only x-drink shows increase risk.
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See above.

Glaucus said:
If you look at papers on alcohol not one shows any scientific link between any alcholic drink and violence, other than a casual effect.
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See above.
 
Glaucus said:
Show me the path ways that cause the violence.

Alcohol works on the receptors. Hence you lose control.

Now show me what compounds in only x-drink shows increase risk.

If you look at papers on alcohol not one shows any scientific link between any alcholic drink and violence, other than a casual effect.
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Exactly. You've phrased it well. In order for it to impact your mood/behaviour, it needs to bind to a receptor in your brain. Only ethanol binds to those receptors. There's no other substances in alcoholic drinks that bind to receptors in the brain. Therefore, different types of drinks cannot directly affect your mood.
 
Lets look at official guidelines

http://www.drinkaware.ie/index.php?pid=192&sid=11
SO YOU THINK certain drinks make you act unlike yourself?
What is it for you? Most people have one.


The fact is though, all the booze contained in every alcoholic drink is pretty much the same stuff - whether its lager, stout, wine, vodka, cider, whiskey, tequila, whatever - in simple terms, its really just ethanol with some flavourings. Alcohol is alcohol...

But how come we're all familiar with the reputation of certain drinks? For example, you'd probably expect that alcohol - particularly whiskey or strong lager - increases testosterone levels in men, right? Wrong. All types of booze make a lad's testosterone levels drop. After a big session you might only have half the testosterone you started with and it could be three days before you get it back up there, so to speak.

So why can personal experience tell you that some drinks affect you differently? One theory is that if you expect to react in a certain way to a certain drink, you probably will.

Several studies have been done where volunteers are given free booze if they take part in a study on the effects of alcohol, but half are given alcohol-free substitutes. Sneaky tricks like rubbing some alcohol around the rim of the glass helped to dupe the volunteers into thinking they were drinking the real deal. The researchers weren't being tight, this was the point of the experiment. And you'll never guess what happened. About 80% of the 'sober' volunteers who thought they were on the lash for free, started acting like they were drunk. They were talking louder, staggering about, feeling dizzy, slurring their speech, tripping up - yet they all would have passed a breathalyser test.

If you still think that certain drinks make you act unlike yourself, maybe it's not the drink but how and how much you're drinking. See also 'So you think the drink texted your ex last night?' - although you should know the answer to that by now.
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As people have said, there are hundreds of various chemicals in drinks, not JUST alcohol and alcohol is one of the strongest and reacts in a specific way but your body reacts to hundreds of chemicals both directly AND indirectly.

Hops can help send you off to sleep, the chemical make up of every drink is different, and your body can react to many of them, not all, not massively and I'm not saying Stella can make you violent, I'm saying its naive to think every single possible drink will make you react the same.

I feel different drinking water instead of diet coke, because the caffeine effects me. I feel different drinking orange juice instead of water, because its got a crapload of sugar in it. Sugar causes several systems in your body to produce and release various enzymes/chemicals and several of those, and the energy that is produced can have an effect on your brain.


Almost everyone I've met has a drink they don't react well with, a drink they'll have worse hangovers, another one they'll have a less bad hangover, etc, etc.
 
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