No, as there really hasn't been any proper scientific studies, only things like in the drink aware stuff.
Stella makes people aggressive?
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No, as there really hasn't been any proper scientific studies, only things like in the drink aware stuff.
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The reason that the caffeine affects in simple terms is because it binds to receptors in your brain and causes an effect.
The point that myself and Glaucus are trying to make is this:
- In order for something to directly affect your behaviour, it needs to bind to a receptor, mainly in the brain.
- In most alcoholic drinks, alcohol is the only chemical that does this.
- Therefore, alcohol is the only ingredient in drinks that can actually affect the way your brain works.
That's the argument. If you disagree with any of the premises, or the conclusion from the premises, then please correct it.
And yet no other dink makes some one violent.
Post one scrap of evidence to show that x-drik can directly make to violent compared to another.
Half the posts totally irrelevant, we aren't talking hangovers, or feelings, or stimulants. We're talking about violence.
Or does diet coke make you violent compared to water.
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Acting differently from different drinks I'd guess is partially placebo, partially previous state of mind, and partially the drinks themselves. Wine gets me ridiculously drunk, but only because it tastes nice and I underestimate just how much alcohol is in it.
Tequila seems to get people quite up and jumpy, most likely because the primary consumption of tequila (for me at least) is slammers. Now, for me to want slammers, I have to already be in a bit of a jumped up mood, so I think that, coupled with the hype of doing a slammer, contributes to the feel of the night.
If I'm drinking vodka I'm drinking it in clubs because it's the cheapest, and I'm necking it so I'm bound to be rather hammered rather quickly, coupled with the caffeine, I'm in a dancing mood. Whereas if I'm drinking whiskey or rum I'm sat chilling in a pub, so even though the alcohol content is the same, I'll be drinking slower and be a lot more relaxed.
Beer and cider are carbonated and weak anyway, so I have difficulty getting smashed off them as I can't stomach a lot of volume, but they're cheap and nice to drink if you're starting early and just hanging out somewhere.
I personally think it's more that your mood influences what you drink, and then the way you drink that drink further enhances that mood, so you're bound to feel different from different drinks. I just don't think it's anything to do with the specific chemicals or anything in the drinks.
Tequila seems to get people quite up and jumpy, most likely because the primary consumption of tequila (for me at least) is slammers. Now, for me to want slammers, I have to already be in a bit of a jumped up mood, so I think that, coupled with the hype of doing a slammer, contributes to the feel of the night.
If I'm drinking vodka I'm drinking it in clubs because it's the cheapest, and I'm necking it so I'm bound to be rather hammered rather quickly, coupled with the caffeine, I'm in a dancing mood. Whereas if I'm drinking whiskey or rum I'm sat chilling in a pub, so even though the alcohol content is the same, I'll be drinking slower and be a lot more relaxed.
Beer and cider are carbonated and weak anyway, so I have difficulty getting smashed off them as I can't stomach a lot of volume, but they're cheap and nice to drink if you're starting early and just hanging out somewhere.
I personally think it's more that your mood influences what you drink, and then the way you drink that drink further enhances that mood, so you're bound to feel different from different drinks. I just don't think it's anything to do with the specific chemicals or anything in the drinks.
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What you're talking about is different though. You're talking about different drinks and methods of drinking which lead to either a greater or lesser rise in blood alcohol concentration. Which is true, because obviously the more drunk you get, the greater the effect it will have on your behaviour.
Or maybe some people are doctors or medical students.
In regards to binding to receptors. I remember a documentary years back now, about a guy with parkinson's who took ecstasy on a night out. His symptoms all but disappeared and the scientists on the documentary were completely surprised by this because they'd thought the release of whatever it is in the brain only related to the high feeling / euphoria you get from the drug and had nothing to do with motor function.
As Glaucus mentioned above, there hasn't been any proper scientific studies. Maybe there should be? The brain is such a complex thing.
As Glaucus mentioned above, there hasn't been any proper scientific studies. Maybe there should be? The brain is such a complex thing.
Rubbish.
Stella does seem to make more more aggressive. After a few Vodka redbulls I got into some sort of overdrive mode. My mate in the morning said 'you had murderer eyes'
If I stick to beers and wine im fine. Must be the sugar because alcopops send me through the roof too
I'm even more sober after a few beers and drugs than I am on vodka redbull
I thought there has been (not the Channel 4 non scientific advert for Ecstasy) I think Holland has ran some proper scientific tests a while back - Probably the reason its legal in Holland in some places.
Going to a Sensation event a few years ago people were allowed 1 pill each.
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That's the caffeine though. If you take two different drugs (alcohol + caffeine) they will both affect you.
Don't think that's right.
Strongbow 5.3%
Stella 5.2%
8 strongbow, I am drunk but know what im doing, can hold a conversation etc
8 stella = carnage
I was referring to more in-depth testing of alcohol on receptors. It's one of the most accepted legal drugs in our society. So it should be tested thoroughly. The reason I was talking about the documentary and ecstasy was because of the surprising, not before realised affects the drug had on motor skills and that part of the brain and whatever chemical it is it produces. Maybe there is the same sort of thing happening with alcohol in people who are wired a particular way, or something like that.
I found a BBC article talking about the ecstasy program anyway: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1169980.stm
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Well yes, but that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying the mood you're in initially influences what you drink, so when the alcohol enhances your mood, you blame it on the drink, but it's actually just an amplification or alteration of the feeling you already had.
e.g. the links between stella and aggressiveness is most likely just aggressive people wanting a strong cheap drink. The link between tequila and jumpyness is most likely the slammer effect (I'm coining that) when you hype yourself up for it. And similar things can be said for each drink really
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Don't think that's right.
Strongbow 5.3%
Stella 5.2%
8 strongbow, I am drunk but know what im doing, can hold a conversation etc
8 stella = carnage
This is exactly how I am. I drink spirits. Miles stronger than Stella, yet a night on stella is chaos for me. And I dont drink it anymore due to that.
I don't see how, it's only 4 to 4.8%... Merrydown or Aspalls cider on the other hand (7.5 and 7%)
Same, lager then rum n coke all night is fine
Last time I drank Stella I woke up with holes in our house wall, a traffic cone, for sale signs in our garden, bins flipped, mangled hands...
Similar story with Frosty Jack cider. We offered a bottle to a tramp and he wouldn't have any!! A mate did a promotion for them and got 48 litres for free, which 4 of us went through in around 3 weeks
I stay off stella and frosty jacks now! (apart from my work xmas party the other night when they had free stella and I had 2, followed by red, white and whiskey)
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I drink Stella, and have never felt the urge to be violent after drinking it.
Good read, thanks.
'Within two hours of taking an Ecstasy tablet, Tim is able to do backflips, somersaults and swallow-dives in a gym'
'Despite the positive effects he derives from Ecstasy, Tim only takes the drug a couple of times a month - usually when he is out clubbing. '
You know he is backflipping in clubs
I am quite flexible but used to do 'head to knees action' in clubs. Must loosen you right up which helps his disease'There are serious health risks associated with taking Ecstasy. ' I would REALLY like to know these!!
'Mary Baker, of the Parkinson's Disease Society, said: "The society has to say that it absolutely cannot condone in any way the taking of an illegal substance. ' Isnt this stinting what could be a huge medical advance?
Seriously it needs to be made legal, if only for medicinal and research purposes
'The challenge for scientists is to find a drug that will replicate the effect of Ecstasy with none of the attendant dangers.'
I dont really see the dangers but MANY people are currently trying. Isnt that how things like Mcat, benzos, BZP, Pips, MCPP, MDAI etc etc came about?
Anyway - Back on alcohol, I think it depends who you are how it will effect you. My dad is fantastic after a few drinks or even many drinks. Get him on spirits for any length of time and a psychopath comes out. As before, really depends on the person, some turn into other people completely (same as me like my dad) others will burst into tears for no reason - men and women.
All this shows how little we know about the brain or how little we have studied the effects on the brain