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7950 OCed vs 660Ti OCed 1080p

@Rusty, you are quoting results from one source only. That simply is not good enough to form a balanced opinion.

Also there have been loads of issues with the 79## series cards from lots of vendors, you only have to check our own graphics card section to see them.

I fail to see (and always will fail to see) why you defend them so vigorously.
 
The 660Ti would be a good plug, play and forget £200-210 card. However, it's overpriced and not really that future proof as its memory bus is already limiting it quite badly in games with AA applied. Competing with the 7870 would give it a good chance of really shifting some units but even then (and I hate to say it as humbug owns that card) for the enthusiast even a 7870 is a better card as it allows you to over volt and really push it high and will be faster in the majority of games with AA applied. There's also this:

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Hopefully that gives you enough information to digest :).

The only disadvantage with the Ti is the memory bus. This was done intentionally by nVidia to force it in line behind the GTX 670. (Otherwise the GTX 670 would have been rather pointless!) In reality all this nerfed memory bus means is that you will have to reduce AA settings to maybe 2x in demanding games, truth is I can't see much difference with 2x or 4x anyway.

Already covered Rusty ;)
 
I've already explained to you before that just because one person says something doesn't mean another person can't say the same thing. We'd live in a boring world if only the first person to the table gets to say their piece wouldn't we? :D.

Plus, I didn't really read your posts to be honest... sorry :(

p.s. pictures > words :)

@Rusty, you are quoting results from one source only. That simply is not good enough to form a balanced opinion.

Their results look OK to me so I've quoted them and they're hardly the biggest AMD lovers in the world anyway. If you would like to find some overclocked results to supplement them then feel free. In fact why don't YOU run some benchmarks and post them in the benchmark thread and then we can see some overclocked 660Ti results from an end user.

I fail to see (and always will fail to see) why you defend them so vigorously.

If what is above is vigorous then my name's Martin. Last time you started a debate like this it ended with 5-10 people telling you were wrong. There's no need for a repeat performance especially so close to Christmas as it'll probably be still going on, on Christmas Eve :D :p.
 
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I've already explained to you before that just because one person says something doesn't mean another person can't say the same thing. We'd live in a boring world if only the first person to the table gets to say their piece wouldn't we? :D.

Plus, I didn't really read your posts to be honest... sorry :(

p.s. pictures > words :)

I will take that as a Christmas truce! :p

Fancy a game of football over the trenches? :)
 
Out of interest, Rusty.

When I was playing Half Life 2, the caves looked like smooth wet glass or rock, is that anti aliasing or anisotropic filtering?

Either way it is good.
 
Out of interest, Rusty.

When I was playing Half Life 2, the caves looked like smooth wet glass or rock, is that anti aliasing or anisotropic filtering?

Either way it is good.

No idea mate. Try turning settings on and off and taking screens to see what causes the effect.

AA is edge smoothing so probably that in combination with AF which is texture filtering.

It's been so long since I played HL2 I can't honestly remember.
 
Bear in mind that's a stock 660Ti vs a stock 7950 so when both are overclocked the gap will be larger.

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1352691741F74TQBhKZT_3_5_l.png

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1352691741F74TQBhKZT_5_5.png

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1352691741F74TQBhKZT_7_5_l.png

Also they did an overclocked comparison a while back on old drivers so depending on the game you need to add a good 10-15% on top of the 7950 results over the 660Ti when talking in today's terms.

The 670 results on this review are terrible and not reliable but their 660Ti vs 7950 looks about right:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950/3

The only problem with 7950s which is of a concern is the MSI ones. The failure rate on other models is no different to the failure rate on any other graphics card no matter how much SkodaMart tries to convince everybody otherwise.

As above, the problem with the 660Ti is that it doesn't benefit from overclocking as much as the performance bottleneck is on the memory bus whereas the 7950 gains more clock for clock from overclocking and you have unlocked voltage for the enthusiasts.

The 660Ti would be a good plug, play and forget £200-210 card. However, it's overpriced and not really that future proof as its memory bus is already limiting it quite badly in games with AA applied. Competing with the 7870 would give it a good chance of really shifting some units but even then (and I hate to say it as humbug owns that card) for the enthusiast even a 7870 is a better card as it allows you to over volt and really push it high and will be faster in the majority of games with AA applied. There's also this:

framerate1920x1080fps.png


Hopefully that gives you enough information to digest :).

You always give me best answears that I'm looking for, what would I do without you? :D

EDIT:
I'v send these results to my friend and explained everything, will let you know what he wrote back.
 
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Also nvidia have better low fps.
Which in my knowledge makes the game more playable and much smoother.

EDIT:
I'm just waiting for gregster and rusty to post some comments and benchmarks ;)

I've also seen a article that AMD will quit gaming market and start to make components for working stations in 2014

WHOOHOO!!!! I have just finished a set of benchmarks. I'll draw a conclusion at the end.
I am comparing two cards: Sapphire HD 7870 OC vs. eVGA GTX 660 Ti FTW Signature 2. Drivers used were the Cat 12.11 Beta11 for the HD 7870 and the newly released Forceware 310.70 WHQL drivers.
HD 7870: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102983
GTX 660 Ti: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130837
For comparison, I paid $209.99 for the HD 7870 on newegg, while I paid a whopping $299.99 for the GTX 660 Ti. Granted, the 7870 was on sale and marked down about $40, but that's what it cost to get it.

Now for the benchmarks. I ran both cards at stock for every test. The resolution was exactly the same on all the games (1920x1200), and the details were left unchanged so that there could be an accurate comparison. Straight off the line, I was pretty sure that the 660 Ti was going to be faster on framerates, but lets see what happened.
The games I benchmarked were Battlefield 3 (multiplayer), Crysis, Far Cry 3, and Skyrim. Each benchmark was run for 2 minutes using FRAPS, and the resulting file was put into the FRAPS bench viewer utility.
Let's get started with Battlefield 3:
NOTE: All pictures submitted are done with the 660 Ti as the top graph, and the 7870 on the bottom. This can be proven because the time stamps on the files. The 7870 benchmarks were done first, so the time stamps on those files are earlier (by about 45 minutes or so) than the 660 Ti benchmarks.
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The benchmark was done on a 64-man Caspian Border server which was full for both runs. I ran around the map, shooting and taking points as if I was playing a normal game.
You can draw your own conclusion, but both cards were set to the same detail settings (all Ultra with no MSAA), and the results were not even close. The 7870 wins this one by a landslide. The 7870 was smoother and much more enjoyable. There was a constant frame stutter exhibited by the 660 Ti while the 7870 exhibited very smooth gameplay. This REALLY surprised me, but the graphs back up exactly what I felt in game.
Before anyone goes crying foul, I have to believe that this is either a driver issue or possibly an issue with my CPU. However, the 7870 ran just fine on my Phenom II X4, and the more powerful 660 ti didn't, so I don't believe my CPU is the culprit here. Software is more than likely to blame.
BF3 Winner: HD 7870
Next, let's look at Crysis:
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Everything was set to very high with no aa on for this test. I started from the beginning of mission 2 on Crysis (not Warhead). I ran down to the small outpost, ran around the building two times, ran down the road, cloaked and shot the passing humvee in the gas tank (big explosion) then ran into the forest until the end.
This one was a little tougher, but again the 7870 pulled ahead. The average framerate was exactly the same, but the 660 Ti had a lower minimum framerate. Also, you can see by the graph that the 660 ti had quite a few more frame spikes throughout the run. I also noticed several areas where the 660 ti's framerate dipped that did not occur on the 7870. This means that the 7870's framerate and gameplay experience felt more consistent, and thus more enjoyable.
This could be a CPU issue, but I doubt it. Crysis only uses 2 threads, and even then, it ran perfectly on a stock Core 2 Duo. This probably has to do with the Kepler architecture and the driver as well.
Crysis Winner: HD 7870
Next let's look at Far Cry 3:
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The settings on this were very high, HDAO, and no MSAA. I started from the same point on the island and ran for 2 minutes. Unfortunately, this was a little more difficult because the baddies spawned differently during both runs, so I couldn't even get close to reproducing the runs. However, I tried to stay in the same area for both.
This time things are quite a bit closer. First, the 660 Ti did maintain an average 5 fps higher than the 7870, and that could be felt (barely) in game. It did feel like the 660 ti maintained its framerate better than the HD 7870 this time, although based on the graphs, it's sort of hard to tell. The 660 ti has more frame spikes towards the end while the HD 7870 has more towards the beginning. However, since the 660 Ti maintained a higher framerate, it did provide a smoother gameplay experience, and thus the 660 Ti takes this one.
Far Cry 3 Winner: GTX 660 Ti
Finally, lets talk about Skyrim:
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Settings were maxed except for MSAA, which was set to 4x for both cards. For this test, I spawned at a quick save point near White run and ran up the road for two minutes, both runs following the same path.
I'm not sure how to approach this one. The 660 Ti most definitely had a higher framerate for this game BUT it also had a more inconsistent one. It wasn't much more inconsistent, but when you turn off vsync, it's noticeable. There were a couple of times where the 7870 exhibited some bigger stutters, but they didn't last for that long. That could even be contributed to a background task on the computer. However, you will see on the 7870's graph (lower) thant at about 50 seconds, the frame times become almost a tight line, whereas the 660 Ti is unable to achieve that at any time.
Long story short, I'm confused. My gut is telling me that the 7870 was smoother for most of it, but the 660 ti's framerate was more consistent. Needless to say, if you turn on vsync on either card, that eliminates virtually every issue period. Because of this, I'm going to call it a draw. I simply do not have a preference in this instance.
Skyrim Winner: DRAW
Conclusion: Based on these 4 games, I have to give the nod to the 7870. The performance wasn't higher, but the framerates were more consistent. This lead to the gameplay experience being smoother overall. Since BF3 is my favorite game, I choose the 7870 without a shadow of a doubt. The fact that the 7870 is far cheaper than the 660 Ti makes this an easy decision for me... I choose the HD 7870.
If anyone else has requests for games, let me know. I'm tight on cash, but I'll do the best I can here. Let me know if you guys need any clarification on these tests or would like to see something done differently. Thanks. :thumb:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1337206/...d-7950-stumble-in-windows-8/360#post_18856460
 
That benchmark isn't 1080p :confused:

7870 is going to be better at higher resolution :)

It's 1920*1200 so practically the same.

The 7870 is faster with 4x MSAA applied and overclocked but the 660Ti is a good deal faster on a balance of settings and out the box.

7870 is comparable with the 660Ti hierarchically so it's not too surprising to see them trade blows.
 
Sorry not sure what your talking about.

Also nvidia have better low fps.
Which in my knowledge makes the game more playable and much smoother.
Was said by IC3 which was highlighted when i made the post and you replied to as the context was about smoother at low frame rates.
And the 7950 would be better.
 
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Was said by IC3 which was highlighted when i made the post and you replied to as the context was about smoother at low frame rates.
And the 7950 would be better.

Oh ok still bit unsure.

Just to clarify my personal opinion is that anything less than 60fps isn't smooth.
 
Thank you so much guys, for such a big intrest!
This just keeps getting more intresting!
I'm thinking of 7870 now, as its cheaper and performance after overclocking is matching 7950 ^^
 
I've also seen a article that AMD will quit gaming market and start to make components for working stations in 2014

Doubt it, gpu's and apu's is AMD's lifeblood, without them, there would have been no AMD a few years ago.

3 of the shiniest titles to date have all came from the Gaming Evolved stable, where AMD differs(so far anyway) from TWIMTBP is that AMD are pushing the devs to bling up their titles for all instead of writing api's into game code so that it runs better on their hardware.

I don't think their going to all the hassle just to close shop and walk away.



@SkodaMart,

Have you ever stopped to think that there are more problem threads in the forum for AMD due to the fact that they have been far, far outselling Nvidia since the very aggressive price cuts?

AMD have had the right effect!

Today over 100pc of 7950 sold and over 250pc of 7800 series in a day - WOW! :D

How many 660Ti's? :D

Just 29pc today, so quite a bit lower, but not so bad if they sustain that daily. :)

Still at £30 or so less they'd fly!



Nvidia are still selling on brand awareness, but in the world of gpu's, it's hard to get customers back sometimes when the opposition can give far more for far less.
 
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