Bought an S2000! Sold the Mountune Fiesta!

Lashout_UK said:
You do get engine braking, just less of it.

Surprised the 350Z is so sketchy in those conditions, presumably it is just the tyres. Driven more potent/difficult cars with in worse conditions, some with very wide rear tyres, provided you're sensible they've never been any problem.
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As I stated to OP... below 5c the tyre grip drops off a cliff. Even had cases where kickdown comes in and tail comes out on a straight with mild turning.

Should run winter tyres really but cba... don't particularly feel the need to drive in the rain, just a fun car.
 
Simon said:
Kickdown kicked in y0
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Engage the smile pedal! *silence* *ROAAARRRRRR*

In fairness to OP, this is one of the hardest times to year to learn RWD... I would have also totalled mine in a short space of time if I didn't have a few weeks to get used to it in the dry.
 
My S2000 must be magic then, running RE050As and with throttle round a bend/roundabout this wet afternoon it 'surprisingly' just went round as normal.

Must be magic.
 
rexehuk said:
Engage the smile pedal! *silence* *ROAAARRRRRR*

In fairness to OP, this is one of the hardest times to year to learn RWD... I would have also totalled mine in a short space of time if I didn't have a few weeks to get used to it in the dry.
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Advantage of wet conditions though is when your intending to play, speeds are lower and slides are easier due to lack of grip. :)

The problem arises from people who don't change their driving style to suit the conditions.
 
[TW]Fox;23417119 said:
I don't have this problem at all.
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Likewise, running ContiSportContact 2. Surprising amounts of grip at near freezing temps, I'm very impressed. Great in the recent heavy downpour too.

Sorry to hear of your crash OP, gutted for you. Stick with RWD though!
 
Any recommendations for driver training courses to go and learn about rwd handling? Ideally in the vehicle that you own...with nothing to crash into.

In particular a skid pan in the wet might be worthwhile assuming I stay rwd with whatever i buy next. Really want to learn from this, this accident could have been a lot worse had the car continued its original path which was towards oncoming traffic.

I think I have been completely spoiled driving the fiesta st, with all the suspension mods it had and the limited slip diff it managed to be typically forgiving as fwd tends to be, but also very feelsome and neutral, you could really rag it around, be aggressive with your inputs to both throttle and steering, and do the whole lift off oversteer thing quite merrily without worrying which way it would go next.

Like you have all told me...not the best thing to go from something as chuckable as that to something as different as the s2000. I don't think my speed was the issue that caused the crash, but accelerating with too much throttle for a very wet road, in too low a gear, and not knowing how it would react and how quickly it would do so,most definitely.
 
Simon said:
Andy Walsh does car limits days that are recommended. You take your own car too.
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This, but make sure one of the first things you do with a replacement s2000 is

A) have the right tyres at the right pressures

B) have the geo done at a proper place

Both of the above VASTLY improve predictability of the car.

I was abused a lot for banging on a out epic geo at CoG or WIM, but itty transformed the car.

Lots of people will tell you that the s2k is cornered with your hands and your feet. This is so true, and doing an Andy Walsh day with a car set up correctly will prove this to you.
 
They don't need geo to stay on the road though. If the car is on stock settings it's fine. A geo will ensure nothing's been knocked out

At the end of the day the driver is in control of the car - not the other way around. In my experience geo only makes a difference at the limit. Then of course there are several settings. You could have a geo to make it safe and understeer everywhere.

You certainly wouldn't want to drive mine as the first S2000 you've driven as its set up very loose. Even my mate who has one commented on how well it turns in which makes the rear loose. Tony at WIM told me to take it easy as I left as 'its set up to oversteer so be careful'

I've not done a driver day in mine. Just know AW is recommended.
 
I did the AW day in mine, and then loads of tuition at track days.

Web I say geo, I'm not on about this 'fast road setting mate' nonsense, I'm on about making sure the car is set up correctly. My car basically had all four wheels pointing the wrong way, split caster bushes, and siezed rear camber and toe. Granted the siezed bits are largely irrelevant to handling, but the settings were wildly off. After just having all the wheels set to the same settings on the left and right of the car, with settings that are broadly 'standard' the car felt so confidence inspiring it was incredible.
 
Will said:
Any recommendations for driver training courses to go and learn about rwd handling? Ideally in the vehicle that you own...with nothing to crash into.

In particular a skid pan in the wet might be worthwhile assuming I stay rwd with whatever i buy next. Really want to learn from this, this accident could have been a lot worse had the car continued its original path which was towards oncoming traffic.

I think I have been completely spoiled driving the fiesta st, with all the suspension mods it had and the limited slip diff it managed to be typically forgiving as fwd tends to be, but also very feelsome and neutral, you could really rag it around, be aggressive with your inputs to both throttle and steering, and do the whole lift off oversteer thing quite merrily without worrying which way it would go next.

Like you have all told me...not the best thing to go from something as chuckable as that to something as different as the s2000. I don't think my speed was the issue that caused the crash, but accelerating with too much throttle for a very wet road, in too low a gear, and not knowing how it would react and how quickly it would do so,most definitely.
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I'm the same with my 182, i would love to go rwd because it would be far more fun on track, but i know on the road i would have to completely reevaluate the way i drive. Sorry to hear about the crash, and imo the best way to learn any car is to take it on a track day.
 
Conanius said:
I did the AW day in mine, and then loads of tuition at track days.

Web I say geo, I'm not on about this 'fast road setting mate' nonsense, I'm on about making sure the car is set up correctly. My car basically had all four wheels pointing the wrong way, split caster bushes, and siezed rear camber and toe. Granted the siezed bits are largely irrelevant to handling, but the settings were wildly off. After just having all the wheels set to the same settings on the left and right of the car, with settings that are broadly 'standard' the car felt so confidence inspiring it was incredible.
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Well yeah that's my point. It's a bit like people claiming their new tyres are the second coming of Christ in wet performance after replacing bald ones.
 
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