Two firefighters shot dead, two seriously injured whilst attending call

Another reason why the US needs Federal Gun Control. I can't believe the petition to deport Piers Morgan either just because he advocates Gun Control.....Anyone who really thinks that the solution to such incidents is arming everyone needs their head sorted tbh. Armed Teachers indeed...what kind of society is that?
 
So sad, especially at this time of year :( that's at least two families broken by the acts of one selfish man.
 
Another reason why the US needs Federal Gun Control. I can't believe the petition to deport Piers Morgan either just because he advocates Gun Control.....Anyone who really thinks that the solution to such incidents is arming everyone needs their head sorted tbh. Armed Teachers indeed...what kind of society is that?

We should start a petition asking them to keep him.

On topic: Disgraceful. What a ****** world we live in.
 
Another reason why the US needs Federal Gun Control. I can't believe the petition to deport Piers Morgan either just because he advocates Gun Control.....Anyone who really thinks that the solution to such incidents is arming everyone needs their head sorted tbh. Armed Teachers indeed...what kind of society is that?

The NRA disagree. So unless you want to amass more political sway than them which essentially means getting the financial resources to buy that sway, then you're wrong. So just get a cup of tea, wait for the news to broadcast the next mass shooting and wait for all this to blow over.
 
Gun laws in individual states are irrelevant when it is possible to freely travel from state to state. They need to get tougher on the gun laws throughout the country, not just random states

Well, that's kind of my point, a law abiding citizen wouldn't bring a gun to a state where it is not permitted, only someone knowing that its wrong would.
 
Apparantly the shooter had served 17 years in prison for the murder of his own grandmother.

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Spengler, 62, had served more than 17 years in prison for beating his 92-year-old grandmother to death with a hammer in 1980 at the house next to where Monday's attack happened.
 
LA Times reports that he used illegal guns. In the school shootings last week the guns didn't belong to the shooter.

Gun control, background checks and whatever else won't stop anything. It will just aim to please people who read the news, get irate and want something done even if it isn't the solution. Legally held weapons are extremely rarely used by their owners.
 
The guy beat his 92 yr old grandmother to death with a hammer. He should have been executed 17 yrs ago. What kind of system lets a guy like that out?
 
A day after the NRA say more people should be armed to stop shootings more people are shot. Americans really are brain dead.
 
It's not so much that people should be armed but more that bad people need to be killed or removed from society. Arming law abiding people is the only way to do it when the system REFUSES to with revolving door prisons, woefully inadequate mental health system and treating criminals/psychos as victims of society.

Urban America is heaving with gangs, rapists, robbers, meth heads, and psychos. The police can't protect you all they do is clean up the aftermath, the system can't and WON'T protect you, you need have a gun and protect yourself. If I lived in Singapore or Iceland or someplace like that I doubt I would feel the need for a gun for self-defense.
 
Arming more peoPle isn't the answer, removing the weapons is.

Arming more people and you are promoting vigilantism (like that poor kid who got shot a year ago) and escalation. "that bloke in there might have a pistol, I'll take an AK. That guy might have an AK, I'll take a rocket launcher etc etc" remove the problem don't add to it. It is easily arguable the recent massacres would have been a lot less severe had the loonies only had access to knives and pistols than rifles and automatics. Bush lifted the automatics ban and without looking into the facts (I don't have the time or inclination) I would bet that a massacre pre auto was a lot less severe. The whole thing should be removed but accepting that is pretty much impossible reduce the risk factor.

You part of the NRA kwerk? Wouldn't shock me :p
 
New York is pretty strict on guns so I don't think this will have been a legal weapon, gun control doesn't stop the criminals.

it can do, if implemented properly

its a bit less effective at a city level if criminals can pick up a legal weapon quite easily just a few hours drive away form that city.

Another reason why the US needs Federal Gun Control. I can't believe the petition to deport Piers Morgan either just because he advocates Gun Control.....Anyone who really thinks that the solution to such incidents is arming everyone needs their head sorted tbh. Armed Teachers indeed...what kind of society is that?

^^^this

While I'm not a fan of Piers Morgan he's on the right side of the fence on this one.
 
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